EFTA00797255.pdf
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Unlocking Trapped Value Deutsche Bank
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Cheapest valuation among banks - Deutsche Bank
• Deutsche Bank is the cheapest with a Price to Book ratio
of 0.40 versus peer average of 1.07
P/B ratio of major banks
DB
Barclays
SocGen
BNP
CS
Citi
HSBC
UBS
GS
BankAm
MS
JPM
0 0.45 0.9 1.35 1.8
Price to Book (Source: Bloomberg Feb-18)
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Smallest market cap for a similar balance sheet
size
Market Cap in USD bn Bal Sheet in USD to
DB • DB
Barclays MI Barclays
SocGen SocGen
UBS UBS
MS MS
GS GS
BNP BNP
HSBC HSBC
Citi Citi
BofA BofA I=11M=
JP Morgan JP Morgan
0 125 250 375 500 0 0.75 1.5 2.25 3
Source: Bloomberg Feb-18 Source: Bloomberg
Dec-17
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DB Stock Price is below 2009 levels
Stock Price of DBK in EUR over time
120
90
60
30
0
Aug 05 Nov 06 Feb 08 May 09 Aug 10 Nov 11 Feb 13 May 14 Aug 15 Nov 16 Feb 18
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Why now?
• Legacy non-core assets - resolved by Dec 2016
• Legacy litigation - mostly resolved by Jan 2017
• Capital issues - mostly resolved by April 2017
Non-Core: Non-core division shut down on 31-Dec-16. Litigation: with Department of Justice was
resolved on 17-Jan-17. DB agreed pay $7.2 bn to resolve matters related to mortgage backed securities,
Capital: raise of EUR 8 bn successfully completed on 7-Apr-17. Pro-forma Tier 1 ratio is 15.1% and CRD
4 ratio is 4.1%
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DB does not have unique circumstances
• Weak FICC - affects banks like GS even more than DB as they are
pure plays
• Low Rates in Europe - affects banks like BNP, SocGen and UBS
Trust factor - affects banks like CS, BNP and SocGen
• Regulation - affects each and every bank
• Litigation - affects US banks even more
• People - working at DB have either worked at other banks like GS
(CFO and Head of Rates), UBS (CEO), CS (Head of Fixed Income)
etc
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So what is the
problem?
Game of Thrones
• CEO vs 2 deputy co-CEOs
• Retail bank head vs CEO of
Postbank
• Head of Asset Management
wants to IPO his division
• Co-heads everywhere
• Friends and family rule
Shareholder comes last in this fight
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Little or no stock
owned by Mgmt
Ownership of insiders
as a % of outstanding
stock
BNP MY OWN
Deutsche bank
HSBC
SocGen
BUSINESS
Barclays
Bank America
Citi
MS
JPM
CS
GS
0 0.75 1.5 2.25
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The plan to double the stock price
• We have no ambition to ace the class. We just want to be bottom
quartile instead of bottom of the class. The stock price is 12.9 with 2
bn shares
P/B ratio of major banks
DB 4.0
Barclays
SocGen
BNP 90
CS
Citi
HSBC
UBS
GS
BankAm
MS
JPM
0 0.45 0.9 1.35 1.8
Price to Book (Source: Bloomberg Feb-18)
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DB has produced many plans
Never executed and finished
Strategy 2020, Strategy 2015
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Plan - details and
more details
• Current share price is EUR 12.9
Needs one empowered CEO
Phase 1 - Quick Results (6 month
timeline)
• Spin-Off/IPO not core
businesses - Receive EUR
6.5 per share
• Phase 2 - In parallel optimization
of business (12 months)
• Increase valuation on rest
of company to EUR 23.5
per share
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PHASE 1
• DB is actively preparing for an IPO of DB Asset
Management (AM) and integrating a standalone PostBank
into DB Retail Bank
• AM - is expected to IPO at a valuation of EUR 7-8bn
with DB maintaining a super-majority control STOP
THIS AND RETURN CASH AS A TAX-FREE SPINOFF -
WORTH EUR 4 PER SHARE
• Postbank - is expected to be integrated into DB retail
bank STOP THIS AND SPIN OFF (TRADE SALE) -
WORTH EUR 2-3 PER SHARE
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PHASE 2 - Wont be a GUB anymore
• DB wants to be a global universal bank (GUB). The focus
has to be on delivering shareholder value
• Investment Bank - We have very detailed plans to reduce
foot print and increase value
• Retail Bank - We need to stop the pretense and hire
professionals. We have a detailed plan for this as well
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Why do activists shy
away from banks
Regulator, Regulator & Regulator
- You need to know what each
regulator is willing to accept
Unknowns - Big annual reports
but low transparency on assets
and derivatives
• Litigation with governments -
cannot be measured
• US banks solved problems
quickly
• EU banks have been perceived
to be quasi state entities
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Why us?
• Together, we have over 50 years experience in DB and
over 60 years in European Banks
• Good relationship and understanding of all regulators -
FED, FCA and ECB/BaFin
• Strong track-record in building businesses and most
recently resolving all legacy matter of DB
• We know the management board members well. Their
personal battles are consuming the company
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How to execute spin-off of Asset
Management?
"And all you do is follow the yellow brick road" - The Wizard of Oz
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Current Status - Asset Management
• DB is planning to a primary listing/ IPO of a minority stake
of asset management
• Operational status of the IPO
• Asset Management legal entities and support functions
have already been separated from the parent
• Bankers have been hired to sell the stock in an IPO
• Current anticipated IPO timeline is early 2018
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Why an IPO and not a spin-off?
• Deutsche Bank likes asset management business and
wants to retain a super-majority control
• Management wants to give currency to asset
management to "pay employees" and have "currency" to
merge/ acquire other AM businesses
• ALL WELL AND GOOD IN NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES
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Goodwill impairment of EUR 1.021Bn
Deutsche Asset Management
(in EUR mn) 2017 2016 2015
Revenue 2,532 3,015 3,016
Adj Costs 1,806 3,220 2,334
Income before
725 (206) 682
Income Taxes
Invested
702 Bn 706 Bn 744
Assets
Net New
16 Bn (41) Bn 18
Money
Cost Income
71% 107% 77%
Ratio
Abbey Life part of Asset Management 19
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Deutsche Asset Management Clean (Our model)
(in EUR mn) 2017 2016 Adjusted 2015 Adjusted
Revenue 2,532 2,619 2,758
Adj Costs 1,806 1,825 2,078
Income before
725 794 680
Income Taxes
Invested
702 Bn 706 Bn 744 Bn
Assets
Net New
16 Bn (41) Bn 18
Money
Cost Income
71% 69% 75%
Ratio
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Our estimates based on public filings
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Where do asset managers trade?
• DB Asset Management will trade around EUR 7-8Bn at listing based on relative
value (EUR 4 per share). If spun off, there is substantial upside
Valuation of Major Asset Managers
Net Cash Market Absolute P/ Market
Asset Manager AUM Alternatives AUM
Cap E Cap
Affiliated Mgr 804 10.7 11.0 Apollo 246 11.4 13
Blackrock 5,977 17.5 80.3 Blackstone 407 10.5 38
Franklin 753 10.5 23.9 Carlyle 196 8.9 8
Eaton Vance 406 16.8 6.5 KKR 159 8.1 17
Federated 364 13.4 3.3 Oaktree 101 12.6 7
Invesco 918 12.6 14.7
Janus As of 30-
361 13.7 7.3
Henderson Nov-17
Numbers in
Legg Mason 754 12.8 3.7
$bn
T Rowe Price 948 18.0 24.5
Wisdom Tree 0 33.3 1.6
Source: Bloomberg 30-Nov 2017 21
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Three businesses of Asset Management
Active Long Only - Biggest and most profitable business of
Asset Management. It is a classic active equity/ fixed
income management. Our estimate is around EUR 550 Bn
XTrackers - Passive ETF business where DB has a market
leadership in Europe but sub-scale in US. Our estimate is
EUR 80-90 Bn
• Alternative business - RREEF good in real estate and
infrastructure. Lumpy performance fees. AUM is 80 Bn
Breakdown of AUM and profitability is not provided
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Spin-Off of Postbank
"Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?" -
Alice in Wonderland
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What is Postbank?
• What is Postbank? ft Postbank
Independent retail bank with
9Mn customers in Germany. „
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Acquired by Deutsche Bank EXIIESSEASY
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over 2008-2014 (multiple stages
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Has EUR 118Bn deposits and a
balance sheet size of EUR
147bn
Information 14/
Independent bank, different
systems
BaFin did not give the waiver to
use the deposits of Postbank in
broader Deutsche Bank
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Postbank strategy -
directionless
• 2017 - DB announces its intention to
integrate Postbank
• 2015 - DB announces that it would sell
Postbank
• 2015 - all the minority shareholders of
Postbank were "squeezed out"
• 2012 - DB announces intention to fully
integrated Postbank. Appoints board
members. Integration fails over the
following years
• 2012 - DB increases stake to 93.7%
• 2010 - DB increases stake to over 50%
• 2008 - DB buys 30% of Postbank for
EUR 2.8bn from Deutsche Post
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Postbank financials
Net Revenues 2,322 3,320 3,143
Adj Costs N/A 2,853 2,593
Income before
N/A 307 584
Income Taxes
Equity N/A 7,226 7,164
RoTE N/A 6.2 13.1
Cost Income
N/A 85.8 80.3
Ratio
DB Earnings Reports 26
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Valuation of Postbank
• Tangible Book value of Postbank is 5.3bn
• Our estimate of the value will be EUR 4-6Bn or 2-3 per share
• We refer to Austria and Europe as Germany is influenced by DB and
Commerzbank
Bank Valuation Metrics of Germany & Austria
Aggregate European Bank Valuation Metrics
Germany Austria
All Banks
Adj P/E 18.5 9.5
P/E (adj) 10.4
Price/Book 0.43 0.83
P/Tangible Equity 1.03
Cost/Income 73% 63%
ROTE 8.4%
Price/ Tangible
0.44 0.92
Book
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Management Overhaul
"No man can serve two masters" - Bible
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CEO - Pick your poison
I Name
John Cryan
Title
CEO
Our Take
Ex-CFO of UBS, very intelligent but not
decisive
Ex-CFO of EON, ex-GS Partner, FIG
Marcus Schenck Deputy Co-CEO Banker. Quick to act but lacks clear
strategy
Spent his career in risk management and
Christian Sewing Deputy Co-CEO audit. Never managed or turned around a
businesss
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What about the elephant in the room?
Corporate and Investment Bank
It is additional upside but not the only source of value creation
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What about the elephant in the room? Corporate &
Investment Bank
• Revenue picture shows that most of the revenues are still from classic Sales
& Trading. This business is broken
Transaction Banking and Financing are only ones earning cost of capital
Revenues in EUR Mn
2017 2016 2015
Global Transaction Banking 3,942 4,421 4,609
Equity Origination 396 405 658
Debt Origination 1,327 1,393 1,481
Advisory 508 495 575
Origination and Advisory 2,231 2,292 2,714
Financing 2,231 2,375 2,127
Sales & Trading (Equity) 2,085 2,571 3,416
Sales & Trading (FIC) 4,380 5,087 6,083
Sales & Trading 6,465 7,658 9,499
Other (644) 17 (51)
Total net revenues 14,226 16,763 18,899
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Costs and everything else?
Costs in EUR Mn
Total net revenues 14,226 16,763 18,899
Costs
Provision for credit losses 213 816 393
Compensation and benefits 4,263 3,955 4,897
General and adm expenses 8,759 9,655 11,662
Impairment of goodwill 6 285 2,168
Restructuring activities 82 299 129
Total noninterest expenses 13,110 14,193 18,856
Income (loss) before income 877 1,705 (376)
Resources
Employees -Front Office 17,251 17,140 17,169
Total employees (full-time 41,349 39,634 39,776
Assets (at period end) 1,127,000 1,201,894 1,236,770
Risk-weighted assets (at per 232,000 237,596 247,423
CRR/CRD 4 leverage expost 1,029,946 954,203 1,007,791
Average allocated sharehold 44,182 40,361 40,753
Cost/income ratio 84.0 % 84.7% 99.8 %
Post-tax return on average s 3.3 % 2.8 % (0.6) °A
Post-tax return on average tE 3.5 % 3.0 % (0.6) `)/0
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What are the businesses of CIB?
Business Sub Classification What to do?
Equities
Cash Equities
Prime Finance Maintain
Derivatives =km Add a lot
Corporate Finance
Reduce a lot
Credit Portfolio Reduce a lot
FICC
Rates Reduce a lot
Foreign Exchange Maintain
Emerging Markets Add a lot
Global Credit Trading Add a lot
Asia Pacific Add a lot
Global Capital Markets
Equity Capital Markets Maintain
Debt Capital Markets Reduce
Financing and Solutions Group Maintain
Leveraged Debt Capital Markets Add a lot
Global Transaction Banking
Mir
Add a lot
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RWA Breakdown
PBC ex Asset
in EUR Bn CIB Postbank
Postbank Manaiement
Credit Risk
124 36 37 4
RWA
CVA RWA 9 0 0
Market Risk
30 5
RWA
Operational
74 7 1 5
Risk RWA
237 44 44 9
Total RWA 356
As of End-2016 per DB Annual Report 34
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Transaction Banking
a hidden jewel
• Pure-play transaction banking
type businesses trade at high
multiples
• By this metric, GTB will be
worth EUR 16 bn as a Market
independent listed company P/E
Cap
• This is EUR 8/ share State
36.5 16.24
Street
• Transaction Banking has a Northern
revenue of EUR 4bn, we 22.2 20.45
Trust
estimate the profit margin is
20-25% Bank of
55.5 15.80
New York
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Costs
• DB overpays to infrastructure employees compared to
front office employees. Instituting rules will reduce costs -
• No supplemental base salaries for non-front office
• No international travel for non-client facing
employees (phone or VC)
• Individual incentives tied to reducing costs
• Eliminate co-heads across the bank
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What about the retail bank and wealth
management?
Lots of opportunity
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PBC financials includes Postbank
2017 20161 2015
Private & Commercial Clients 5,013 5,226 5,603
Postbank 3,124 3,366 3,112
Wealth Management 2,041 1,880 2,097
Hua Xia 0 618 (175)
Total net revenues 10,178 11,090 10,637
Net interest income 5,876 6,201 6,415
Commission and fee income 3,367 3,395 3,816
Remaining income 935 1,494 406
Provision for credit losses 313 439 511
Compensation and benefits 3,966 4,042 4,161
General and administrative expenses 5,157 5,029 5,139
Impairment of goodwill and other intangible assets 0 0 3,608
Restructuring activities 360 141 586
Total noninterest expenses 9,495 9,212 13,495
Income (loss) before income taxes 382 1,439 (3,370)
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PBC Resource Efficiency
Resources
Employees 43,671 45,045 46,601
Total employees 51,303 53,533 54,509
Assets (at period end) 330,884 329,869 312,732
Risk-weighted assets (at period end) 88,656 86,082 92,857
CRR/CRD 4 leverag 342,146 342,424 329,902
Average allocated shareholders' equity 14,793 14,072 14,182
Invested Assets 505 501 583
Net asset inflows 5 (42) 3
Client Assets 711 694 771
Efficiency Ratios
Cost/income ratio 84.4 % 83.1 % 126.9 %
Post-tax return on average shareholders' equity 6.3 % 6.7 % (15.4) %
Post-tax return on average tangible shareholders' equit 7.3 ok 7.7 % (18.1) %
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PBC versus the rest
Balance Sheet Op Profit (2017) What is asset side?
Aareal 44bn 310-350Mn Structured CRE
Bonds, consumer loans, property
BAWAG 40bn 500Mn
lending, DACH Corporates, bought loan
These are our estimates as Postbank and
DB Retail
140bn 700Mn international division are not well
Bank
disclosed
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Plan for the Remaining Retail Bank - Asset Side
• Great retail banks have very effective assets or high NIM
• The differentiated asset base comes from specialty lending
• BAWAG - Significant bond portfolio (6bn out of 36bn portfolio)
• Aareal Bank - Pure play focus on CRE
• NIM can easily be increased by EUR 200Mn
• Partner with KKR, LoneStar or Blackstone to be their preferred CRE and NPL financier
• Lend to small real estate developers in Germany
• Bring Lending Club/ SoFi to DACH and be the balance sheet provider
• Commissions can be increased by EUR 100Mn
• Better focus on selling equities and build a Schwab type platform
• Acquire or hire new fintech platforms
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Wealth Management
• It is a mid-sized global wealth management
• It is currently run by a former head of strategy than a wealth-
management expert
• We need a strong leadership to build and grow
in EUR Mn 2017 2016 2015
Revenue 2,041 1,880 2,097
Invested
506 Bn 501 Bn 583 Bn
Assets
Asset
4 Bn (42) Bn 3 Bn
Inflows
Client
711 Bn 694 Bn 771 Bn
Assets
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"It is not necessary to do extraordinary things
to get extraordinary results"
-Warren Buffett
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Division Value per Share
PostBank 2
AM 4
GTB 8
IB 16
PBC 3
Sum 33
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