DOJ-OGR-00013183.pdf

--- Page 1 --- **Case 1:20-cr-00330-PAE** **Document 753** **Filed 08/10/22** **Page 170 of 264** **LC7VMAX5** **Carolyn - cross** **A. Yes, but when we -- can you back up for a second? Because when we first --** **THE COURT: Could you talk into the mic.** **A. When we first walked in is when Maxwell introduced herself to me.** **Q. You didn't tell that to the FBI in 2007, did you?** **A. No, I did not.** **Q. Thank you.** **So you went upstairs and Ms. Roberts directed you to rub Epstein's legs while she rubbed his back; correct?** **A. Yes.** **Q. Then Epstein told you to take off your shirt and your pants; correct?** **A. Not at the first time, no.** **MR. PAGLIUCA: If we can show the witness again 3505-005, page 1, fourth paragraph -- no, fifth paragraph, middle of the paragraph.** **Isn't it true that you told the FBI, Epstein stated to Carolyn, take off your shirt and take off your pants?** **Carolyn, take off your shirt and take off your pants?** **A. Yes.** **Q. Okay. And then you told the FBI, Virginia got naked and Carolyn undressed to her bra and panties, right?** **A. Yes.** **Q. And it's after that that Virginia Roberts, who's 18 at this time, has sex with Mr. Epstein in front of you; correct?** **SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.** **(212) 805-0300** **DOJ-OGR-00013183**