DOJ-OGR-00016843.pdf
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**Header:**
* Case 1:20-cr-00330-AJN
* Document 763
* Filed 08/10/22
* Page 114 of 197
**Page Number:**
* 2655
**Transcript:**
* LCHVMAX4
* Dubin - direct
* 1 That would be you?
* 2 A. Correct.
* 3 Q. And then someone named Frances Jardine.
* 4 Do you recall Frances Jardine?
* 5 A. I recall Frances. I did not know that her last name was Jardine.
* 6 Q. Do you recall that that was someone that Mr. Epstein was dating in 1994?
* 7 A. Yes.
* 8 Q. Okay. It appears from this flight record that you and Mr. Epstein and Frances Jardine went to DCA -- which I will represent to you is Washington, D.C. airport -- and then returned the same day. And I guess the question is do you recall making that trip?
* 9 MS. MOE: Your Honor, I'd object to counsel testifying.
* 10 MR. PAGLIUCA: I'm just orienting the witness, your Honor.
* 11 Honor.
* 12 THE COURT: All right. I'll allow it, but then let's get to direct questions.
* 13 MR. PAGLIUCA: Yes, your Honor.
* 14 Q. Do you recall making this trip?
* 15 A. I do not.
* 16 Q. Okay.
* 17 MR. PAGLIUCA: If we can go down to the second to the
* 18 SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C.
* 19 (212) 805-0300
* 20 DOJ-OGR-00016843
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* DOJ-OGR-00016843
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