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--- Page 1 --- **Document Extract** **Header:** * UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v. * PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL. * C2FFDAU4 * Conrad - direct * Page 113 * C2FFDAU4 * Conrad - direct * Page 115 * February 15, 2012 * A-5638 **Table:** | | | | | | --- | --- | --- | --- | | **Q.** | **It was irrational, was it not?** | **MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.** | **THE COURT: Overruled.** | | **A.** | **I don't know what "irrational" means. I'm not a psychologist.** | **And would you agree with me that at least there was no logical connection between Judge Pauley having attended Duke University 30 years or more ago and the hearing that you were present for and the instructions you were receiving on December 20th.** | **You went there too, but I really don't know what your question means.** | | **Q.** | **And would you agree with me that at least there was no logical connection between Judge Pauley having attended Duke University 30 years or more ago and the hearing that you were present for and the instructions you were receiving on December 20th.** | **Well, when you said it was ridiculous, what did you mean?** | **Well, did you mean that you thought there was no merit to it?** | | **A.** | **You went there too, but I really don't know what your question means.** | **I mean, you know there's merit to it, right?** | **I don't recall.** | | **Q.** | **When you say you went there too, you mean I went there too?** | **Do you know -- I'm not asking about your recall right now, I'm asking you whether or not there is merit to a motion that said you came into court and lied and lied and lied on March 1, 2011.** | **I don't recall.** | | **A.** | **Yes, I Googled you.** | **I'm not asking about your recall right now, I'm asking you whether or not there is merit to a motion that said you came into court and lied and lied and lied on March 1, 2011.** | **I'm not a psychologist.** | | **Q.** | **And you know that I attended that as an undergraduate?** | **I'm asking you whether or not there is merit to a motion that said you came into court and lied and lied and lied on March 1, 2011.** | **Now, when you went on to tell Judge Pauley "If you want another Clinton appointment, it's not going to happen" -- do you remember saying that?** | | **A.** | **I believe so.** | **So you don't know why you said it was ridiculous?** | **I don't recall.** | | **Q.** | **Is that responsive to the question I just asked you?** | **You're correct. I'm not a psychologist.** | **So you do not remember saying that?** | | **A.** | **I told you, I can't answer your question, sir.** | **Now, when you went on to tell Judge Pauley "If you want another Clinton appointment, it's not going to happen" -- do you remember saying that?** | | | **Q.** | **I have now posed a different question. I am now asking you to explain for us whether there's a logical connection between Judge Pauley's attendance at Duke University and your statement to the Court in the proceedings on December 20th?** | **You're correct. I'm not a psychologist.** | | | **A.** | **I have now posed a different question. I am now asking you to explain for us whether there's a logical connection between Judge Pauley's attendance at Duke University and your statement to the Court in the proceedings on December 20th?** | **So you don't know why you said it was ridiculous?** | | | **Q.** | **I can't parse it down. I'm not a psychologist, sir.** | **You're correct. I'm not a psychologist.** | | | **A.** | **I can't parse it down. I'm not a psychologist, sir.** | **So you don't know why you said it was ridiculous?** | | | **Q.** | **Now, then you went on to say, "Come on, this is anything in favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the 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