DOJ-OGR-00007239.pdf

--- Page 1 --- **Document Header** * **Case Number:** 1:20-cr-00330-PAE * **Document Number:** 467 * **Filed Date:** 11/15/21 * **Page Number:** 60 of 158 * **Case Name:** LBAGmax2 **Transcript Header** * **Transcript Number:** 60 * **Date:** 11/15/21 * **Time:** 3:20 PM * **Location:** Southern District Reporters, P.C. * **Reporter:** MS. POMERANTZ **Transcript Text** * **Page 60 of 158** * **Line 1:** Again, we're talking about a use of a variety of strategies for the purpose of sexual abuse. So these are ways in which -- tactics, ways in which an offender might manipulate a child to developing a relationship of trust and attachment. Obviously, one can develop a relationship of trust and attachment in a variety of contexts. But when we're talking about grooming, the specific context, is when there's been coercive control and some form of organization. * **Line 2:** Q. Dr. Rocchio, taking a step back -- * **Line 3:** MS. POMERANTZ: You can pull down Exhibit 5. * **Line 4:** Q. -- how have some of the behaviors you have seen in grooming literature compare to behaviors you have seen in your forensic practice and your clinical practice? * **Line 5:** A. Again, there's remarkable similarity in the impact of those behaviors. In my clinical practice victims talk about, I really trusted him, I thought he was a nice guy, he paid so much attention to me, he helped me out, he drove me places, he bought me sneakers when I didn't have any, he was the only person who cared about me. And that significantly -- in a clinical arena, that significantly impacts the individual's confusion and self-blame and often experiences of shame. * **Line 6:** Similarly, in a forensic setting, it can often contribute to an increase in the kinds of damage and harm that I need to assess that have stemmed from an incident. * **Line 7:** Q. In your view, is the concept of grooming generally accepted * **Line 8:** MS. POMERANTZ: You can pull down Exhibit 5. * **Line 9:** Q. -- how have some of the behaviors you have seen in grooming literature compare to behaviors you have seen in your forensic practice and your clinical practice? * **Line 10:** A. Again, there's remarkable similarity in the impact of those behaviors. In my clinical practice victims talk about, I really trusted him, I thought he was a nice guy, he paid so much attention to me, he helped me out, he drove me places, he bought me sneakers when I didn't have any, he was the only person who cared about me. And that significantly -- in a clinical arena, that significantly impacts the individual's confusion and self-blame and often experiences of shame. * **Line 11:** Similarly, in a forensic setting, it can often contribute to an increase in the kinds of damage and harm that I need to assess that have stemmed from an incident. * **Line 12:** Q. In your view, is the concept of grooming generally accepted * **Line 13:** MS. POMERANTZ: You can pull down Exhibit 5. * **Line 14:** Q. -- how have some of the behaviors you have seen in grooming literature compare to behaviors you have seen in your forensic practice and your clinical practice? * **Line 15:** A. Again, there's remarkable similarity in the impact of those behaviors. In my clinical practice victims talk about, I really trusted him, I thought he was a nice guy, he paid so much attention to me, he helped me out, he drove me places, he bought me sneakers when I didn't have any, he was the only person who cared about me. And that significantly -- in a clinical arena, that significantly impacts the individual's confusion and self-blame and often experiences of shame. * **Line 16:** Similarly, in a forensic setting, it can often contribute to an increase in the kinds of damage and harm that I need to assess that have stemmed from an incident. * **Line 17:** Q. In your view, is the concept of grooming generally accepted * **Line 18:** MS. POMERANTZ: You can pull down Exhibit 5. * **Line 19:** Q. -- how have some of the behaviors you have seen in grooming literature compare to behaviors you have seen in your forensic practice and your clinical practice? * **Line 20:** A. Again, there's remarkable similarity in the impact of those behaviors. In my clinical practice victims talk about, I really trusted him, I thought he was a nice guy, he paid so much attention to me, he helped me out, he drove me places, he bought me sneakers when I didn't have any, he was the only person who cared about me. And that significantly -- in a clinical arena, that significantly impacts the individual's confusion and self-blame and often experiences of shame. * **Line 21:** Similarly, in a forensic setting, it can often contribute to an increase in the kinds of damage and harm that I need to assess that have stemmed from an incident. * **Line 22:** Q. In your view, is the concept of grooming generally accepted * **Line 23:** MS. POMERANTZ: You can pull down Exhibit 5. * **Line 24:** Q. -- how have some of the behaviors you have seen in grooming literature compare to behaviors you have seen in your forensic practice and your clinical practice? * **Line 25:** A. Again, there's remarkable similarity in the impact of those behaviors. In my clinical practice victims talk about, I really trusted him, I thought he was a nice guy, he paid so much attention to me, he helped me out, he drove me places, he bought me sneakers when I didn't have any, he was the only person who cared about me. And that significantly -- in a clinical arena, that significantly impacts the individual's confusion and self-blame and often experiences of shame. **Footer** * **Southern District Reporters, P.C.** * **(212) 805-0300** * **DOJ-OGR-00007239**