DOJ-OGR-00014084.pdf

--- Page 1 --- **Document Header** * **Case Number:** 1:20-cr-00330-PAE * **Document Number:** 761 * **Filed Date:** 08/10/22 * **Page Number:** 225 of 246 **Transcript of Conversation** * **Q:** I want to talk about people traveling into the United States. In your work you refer to that as inbound travel, right? * **A:** Yes. * **Q:** Based on your review of CBP records and your experience as a CBP officer, if someone was traveling into the United States before September 11th, 2001, would CBP records necessarily reflect that person's travel into the United States? * **A:** Not necessarily. * **Q:** Can you explain why? * **A:** Once again, the recordkeeping and the way that the airlines used to basically operate, I'll go back to APIS, Advance Passenger Information System. Prior to 9/11, it was voluntary for airlines to submit their manifests to APIS. After 9/11 and, more specifically, the most recent update that I'm aware of in, I believe it's 2005, mandated airlines to submit full and complete manifests to CBP using the APIS system. * **Q:** I want to talk about when someone leaves the United States and travels internationally. In your work, you refer to that as outbound travel, right? * **A:** Yes. * **Q:** Based on your review of CBP records and your experience as a CBP officer, if someone was traveling out of the United States before September 11th, would CBP records necessarily reflect that person's travel out of the United States? **Footer** * **Southern District Reporters, P.C.** * **Phone Number:** (212) 805-0300 * **Case Number:** DOJ-OGR-00014084 **Page Number** * **Page 225 of 246** Note: The image appears to be a scanned document, and some text may be slightly blurry or difficult to read. However, all visible text has been extracted and presented in the above format.