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,THE STATE OF FLORIDA, COUNTY OF PALM BEACH. IN RE: PALM BEACH INVESTIGATION. SWORN STATEMENT OF Monday, November 21, 2005 12:25 p.m. - 1:05 p.m. =WS NoirVailitItcord COPY Reported By: RPR Notary Public, State of Florida Consor & Associates Reporting and Transcription Phone - K> I. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257810  Page 2 1 APPEARANCES: 2 On behalf of the State: Esquire 3 ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY 4 5 On behalf of the Witness: 6 Esquire 7 8 9 10 ALSO PRESENT: 11 DETECTIVE Palm Beach Police Department 12 13 • 14 - - 15 16. 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257811 . . J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257812  Page 4 1 Sworn statement taken before 2 Registered Professional Reporter and Notary 3 Public in and for the State of Florida at Large, in the 4 above cause. 5 - - - 6 Thereupon, 7 8 having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined 9 and stated as follows: 10 I just want to repeat that 11 we're here under the State investigative subpoena 12 that was served on although it was 13 dated for, I believe, Wednesday or something. 14 This is Monday the 21st, and we are here by 15 agreement. 16 EXAMINATION 17 BY DET. 18 Q. I'm Detective with 19 the Palm Beach P.D. As I explained to you on the 20 telephone, I am conducting an investigation on a former 21 employer of yours. 22 I just spoke with your wife and she told me 23 you guys worked for Mr. Epstein for eight years? 24 A. Yes, she did work for eight years. I 25 worked longer. I was there before my wife came. 3. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257813 • Page 5 1 Q. Before your wife came. 2 A. I started full-time with him on January 1, 3 1991, and we both left December 31, 2002. So I worked 4 eleven years exactly. Prior to that, prior to working 5 full-time for him, I worked part-time for him, on-and-off 6 basis. 7 Q. What were your responsibilities? 8 A. In the full-time basis, I started as a 9 houseman, and I became a major domo and butler and 10 everything else, driver, and did everything. We both did 11 all the chores in the house, but I was in charge of the 12 house. I was above my wife and above the cleaning crew, 13 the gardners, pool people. So I was house manager, major 14 domo. 15 Q. You would have been the go-to guy for the 16 house? 17 A. Yes. And the one who would get the blame. 18 Q. We are talking about Jeffrey Epstein? 19 A. Of course. 20 Q. Do you remember the address of the house? 21 A. 558 El Brillo. 22 Q. Was it in the beginning of the street -- 23 A. At the end of the street, on the left-hand 24 side. 25 Q. We're talking about the same house. oar•.••••••••Ae....e• .an • CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257814  Page 6 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. Your wife said the same number you did. 3 A. 558? 358? 558? 4 Q. It was 358. 5 A. We left three years ago. 6 Q. And I understand it's been some time since 7 then. So the questions I'm going to ask you basically 8 is: During your time, did you deal directly with 9 Mr. Epstein? 10 A. Yes. And her -- and her -- girlfriend, 11 manager. She was the manager of all the households, 12 because he has homes all over the world. 13 Q. Right. 14 A. So we have -- she was my boss, and I deal 15 directly with her. 16 Q. Who was -- 17 A. 18 0. that's his girlfriend, 19 correct? 20 A. Um-hum. 21 Q. During the eleven years, he would come 22 down, she would inform you that they were coming down? 23 A. Right. 24 Q. Make arrangements to have the house ready? 25 A. Right. 3. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257815  Page 7 1 Q. During the time that he was here, you 2 prepared the house, did all the chores. 3 Did you do any of the cleaning? 4 A. Sometimes. Many times. I did -- last two 5 or three years the work was so much that we have to 6 hire -- we hire a clean-up crew that they came twice a 7 week or once a week, then it was twice a week. Depends 8 upon his schedule, because he did not allow anybody at 9 the house except us when he was in town. So when he was 10 in town, it was just us doing the cleaning and the 11 cooking, the driving, shopping, everything else. 12 Q. Did you stay on property in the guest 13 house? 14 A. Yes and no. We had an apartment right 15 across the bridge. We had an apartment in Tower 1515 on 16 Flagler, and we had an apartment at the house. 17 Q. Why would you stay at the house, then? 18 A. we stay at the house mostly when he was 19 there. When he was not in town, we went home. We went 20 to our apartment. When he was there, it was -- the job 21 was just too much to go home 9 o'clock, 10 o'clock and 22 come back 5 o'clock in the morning. We would just stay 23 and sleep and get up and work. 24 Q. When he was in town, did he receive a lot 25 of guests at the house? Sie••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••all••• 41.0a••••••SIMIS J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257816  Page 8 1 A. Yes. Many, many, many guests. It was 2 never with no guests. 3 Q. Did he have assistants with him? 4 A. Assistants? At the last year he had an 5 assistant just for him. They would travel with him all 6 the time. At the last -- in the last two years of my 7 stay there, he also have a chef, a gourmet chef that he 8 would travel with him. That's it. 9 Q. Do you remember the chef's name? 10 A. There were quite a few. The last one I 11 know is I think. And he was from 12 New York. 13 And there was another French chef, 14 (phonetic); I don't know his last name. g And there was another English chef. But 16 they went quickly. 17 Q. They would come and go, come and go. 18 What about the assistant that was his 19 personal assistant that would fly with him? 20 A. It was an English girl that 21 would travel with him a lot, and became the personal 22 assistant. But most of the time it was Ms. Maxwell that 23 traveled with him all the time. 24 Q. She was basically like his -- 25 A. Girlfriend, whatever it was. Boss, 3. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257817  Page 9 1 girlfriend. She was our immediate superior. 2 Q. Did he have girls come over to give 3 massages? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. How many massages would he have in a day? 6 A. Sometimes one, sometimes two, three. 7 Q. Was it the same girl that would come back 8 to do the massages? 9 A. Yeah, yeah. Not the same girl I mean 10 during eleven years, I probably saw a hundred, two 11 hundred different massage therapists. 12 Q. Did they seem young to you? 13 A. No, sir. Mostly no. We saw one or two 14 young ones in the last year. Before that, it was all 15 adults. 16 Q. During your last year when you were working 17 with him, what do you mean that they looked young? Did 18 they look like they were still in high school? 19 A. I remember one girl was young. We never 20 asked how old she was. It was not in my job. 21 Q. Right. I understand. 22 A. But I imagine she was 16, 17. In my 23 judgment, she was 16, 17. 24 Q. Where would these massages take place? 25 A. All the time it was in his room. Sometimes 3. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257818  Page 10 1 it was in the balcony of his quarters. His room has a 2 wraparound balcony facing the pool. So the massages were 3 in the balcony outside in the sun, or inside in his 4 bathroom or her bathroom. 5 Q. Would you set up the room for the massages? 6 A. Many times. Yes, he will tell me, Set up 7 the room inside my bathroom or in the bedroom or in 8 Elaine's bathroom, or outside on the balcony. And I 9 would go and set up or my wife would go and set up the 10 table. 11 We had a table in every room of the house, 12 the massage tables, for the different guests. Because 13 not only he got massages, all the other guests got 14 massages too. So we have a table -- massage table in 15 basically every room, guest room. 16 Q. The girls that would come over to do 17 massages, they would massage him first or massage guests? 18 A. Different times. There were -- mostly they 19 was his massage. Mostly he would get massages. 20 Q. Would Ms. Maxwell be in the room with him 21 while he was getting the massage? 22 A. We don't know. Apparently we saw her going 23 upstairs, because it was -- when they went upstairs, they 24 closed -- his quarters, it had a double door, so it was a 25 door on top of the stairs -- I don't know if you've been allealibM•••••••••11.•••••••Ssasadirallik J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257819  Page 11 1 in the house -- and then there's another door going into 2 his room. So it was a long corridor. So everything was 3 closed and nobody saw anything. 4 Q. Would you clean up after? 5 A. Once in a while, yes, I did. Most of the 6 times I did. I did the cleanup. 7 Q. Did it appear as if there was going to be 8 more than one massage going on in the room? 9 A. More than one massage? I don't know. It 10 was massages. There was massages, because it was a hot 11 oil, and it was -- 12 And towels, a lot of 13 towels. We used a lot of towels in the house. Used like 14 maybe 40, 50 towels a day, because every time he go in 15 into the pool, it was two or three towels. Everything 16 had to be cleaned up. I went most of the time to pick up' 17 the room and get it ready. 18 Q. Did it ever appear to you that more went on 19 in the room other than a massage? 20 A. I just imagine. I never saw anything. But 21 I imagine there was more than I never saw anything 22 because it was closed doors. It was never done outside. 23 Q. Based on the cleanup? 24 A. Based on the cleanup -- at the end, I 25 cannot say there was. At the end, it was a few times 3. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257820  Page 12 1 that the bed was undone. You know, we make the beds 2 three or four times a day. And sometimes we went to 3 clean up the massage to put it back, the massage table, 4 to pick up the towels, but the bed was undone again. So 5 either he took a nap or he went for a nap, I don't know. 6 Q. Or something else occurred? 7 A. . Or something else. I cannot. 8 Q. Did the girls, would they bring their own 9 stuff or they would use his stuff? 10 A. No. We had everything. We had gallons of 11 stuff, different stuff. 12 Q. Different massage oils? 13 A. Different, all kinds. 14 O. Different massagers? 15 A. Different stuff. 16 They would buy all over the world different 17 types of -- for different -- 18 Q. Did any of these massagers look like sex 19 toys? 20 A. At the end, at the last year that we were 21 there they had like sex toys, some of them. I can say 22 maybe three or four occasions that I saw in the sink, 23 they were left out on the sink, and just -- 24 Q. Where would he keep these massagers? 25 A. When I was there, we keep all the stuff in 3. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES RE NG & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257821  Page 13 1 a basket inside Ms. Maxwell's closet. It was a big 2 basket, about this round (indicating), with a cover on 3 it. And we used to pick up from the towel and just dump 4 it in there. That's it. That's the standard we went 5 through. 6 Q. What sink would you find those massagers 7 in? 8 A. Mostly in his sink, in his bathroom sink. 9 Q. His bathroom sink? 10 was Ms. Maxwell still his girlfriend at 11 that time? 12 A. Oh, yeah. 13 Q. Still his girlfriend that you know of right 14 now? 15 A. Yeah. We left, she was still his 16 girlfriend. I don't know now, but she was still there. 17 Q. Why did you leave at the end? 18 A. It was a hard job. It was an incredible 19 hard job. So demanding. Hours were terrible, from 20 5 o'clock in the morning to 10 o'clock at night. 21 Constantly on your feet. 22 23 24 It was just too 25 much for me. • • a. J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257822  Page 14 1 Q. Sounds like a lot. 2 A. Yeah. For me and my wife, we both left. 3 Q. It was very demanding when he was here in 4 town? 5 A. It was terrible. Bad job. Pay was good, 6 but we had enough. 7 Q. I know you guys had a falling out.a couple 8 of years ago; I guess you weren't working with him 9 anymore. This would have been in 2003. You guys had a 10 falling out, remember? 11 A. Yeah, we settled that. 12 Q. That was settled? 13 A. That was settled with him between us. 14 Q. Was that -- 15 A. It was an amicable -- it was an agreement, 16 mutual agreement. It was a mistake on my part. 17 Q. Are there any questions you have of me? 18 A. No. I told you the truth. 19 We just imagined things that could have 20 happened. I used to talk to my wife all day, working and 21 under that environment. But we didn't know for sure what 22 was going on. 23 We never heard anything. We never heard a 24 complaint, or a girl crying. 25 Q. Would these massage girls, especially .1. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257823 • Page iS 1 towards the end, would they come alone or would they come 2 with other people? 3 A. Mostly they would come alone. It was one 4 girl, one of the young girls, the one I can't think of 5 it, she would bring somebody else. She'd bring other 6 girls. But I didn't even know the names. 7 Q. All of them would go downstairs? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Or would one stay downstairs? 10 A. Most of the times when that girl came, it 11 was at night. So after dinner -- after dinner, they went 12 to the movies. And by the time they went to the movies, 13 we clean up right away and tried to get out of there. 14 And that was about 8, 9 o'clock at night. 15 After, when they come back, I don't know 16 what happened. Our quarters were a different -- I don't 17 know if you've been in the house, but our quarters were 16 separate. 19 Q. It's separate. 20 A. Separate. Before -- that building is new. 21 They build the building in 2001. 22 Q. The guest quarters? 23 Yeah, the guest quarters. 24 Before, we had an apartment upstairs. 25 Q. They have the laundry and a little office CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257824  Page 16 1 and the bedroom? 2 A. Yes. That was 2001. Before that, we had 3 an apartment upstairs in their house, in the main house. 4 Q. In the little rooms upstairs across from I 5 his master bedroom? 6 A. Right. 7 Q. Was there ever any photographs that you can 8 recall around the house? 9 A. Girls, girls' photographs and guests' 10 photographs, yes. 11 Q. Were they dressed or were they naked? 12 A. Most of them were dressed. It was a lot of 13 entertainment in the pool, around the pool area. But 14 most of them were dressed. 15 Q. When was the last time you spoke with 16 Mr. Epstein? 17 A. The last time I spoke with Mr. Epstein was 18 about a week ago, when you left me the card. I got 19 scared because of that fallout that we had, and I thought 20 it was a consequence of that. And I called and says, 21 Jeffrey, what's going on, what's happening? Because I 22 thought it was an investigation against me on his part. 23 Q. I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. 24 A. That's why I called him. That's the only 25 reason that I called. I 3. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257825  Page 17 1 Before I even spoke to you. 2 Q. Just when you found the card? 3 A. When I find the card, I get scared. I 4 said, What's going on now? Why are you bothering me now 5 in my house? 6 That's why I called him. 7 He said, John, there is an investigation 8 going on. I have nothing to talk to you. That's it. 9 I said, Okay. 10 Q. He didn't give you any information as to 11 A. No, not a word. 12 Q. Has anybody else contacted you from 13 Mr. Epstein or his organization, his assistants, his 14 attorney? 15 A. No, no, no. 16 Q. Anyone that works for his attorney? 17 A. For his attorney? Yes. For his attorney, 18 the present attorney? Yes. That was an investigator 19 that it was investigated on his side, I can't remember 20 his name, but I understand it was from 21 office. That was his attorney. And he -- this 22 investigator basically asked me the same questions, 23 exactly the same questions: What did I know, what did I 24 know. 25 Q. When did this happen? J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257826  Page 18 1 A. This happened about ten days ago -- about a 2 week ago, ten days ago. I'm not sure what date. 3 Q. Was his investigator's name -- 4 A. It's the date after I contacted you. 5 Q. first name 6 A. yes. 7 You have the last name? 8 Q. No. 9 A. He asked me exactly the same questions. 10 Q; Did he offer you any money? 11 A. Absolutely not. I would not take it. 12 Q. Did he tell you not to speak to me? 13 A. No. He says -- no, he told me not to speak 14 to you. He didn't say that to me. He says, It's your 15 choice. You make that decision. 16 And he says, If you hire a lawyer, you make 17 that decision. . 18 And we feel that was important for us. I 19 don't want to be involved with this thing. I'm out of 20 the job three years ago, and that's why we hired 21 He suggested that. 22 Q. Did he ask you if anybody else has been 23 contacted? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Did he tell you that to call him back after 3. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257827  Page 19 1 our meeting? 2 A. No, no. 3 O. Were you to have any contact with him at 4 any time after our meeting? 5 A. If I will have a contact? I have no reason 6 for it. I have no reason to call Jeffrey or anybody 7 else. This is over, I hope. 8 Q. Well, this is basically an 9 ongoing investigation, so obviously anything that we 10 discuss hopefully will stay between us. Because it is 11 still ongoing, I wouldn't want this out until the 12 investigation is complete. 13 A. It's not going anywhere. Even my kids 14 don't know it. 15 Q. He contacted you after you called 16 Mr. Epstein? 17 A. Yes. 18 When I call him and I said, Jeffrey, what' 19 going on? 20 He said, I don't know what's going 21 on. There's an investigation against me. 22 So then I said, Whew, thank God. I don't 23 know what's happening. 24 And then he says, I have an investigator 25 that is investigating, the same thing the police 3. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257828  Page 20 1 department is doing. He's going to contact you. 2 And that was the end of it. 3 I think his name was I only met him 4 for about fifteen minutes, ten minutes. 5 Q. You met at your house? 6 A. No, no. I don't want him at my house. We 7 met at Carrabas restaurant, but it was not open, so we 8 met outside Carrabas. It took about ten minutes. 9 Q. Going back to the items that were found in 10 the sink, can you describe any of those massagers? 11 A. I only saw two things: It was a big, 12 big I think a vibrator. Big (indicating). And it was 13 a long -- I hate to -- I'm sorry. It was a long dick, I 14 think. Rubber thing. And there was a thing you used it 15 in the back, the vibrator in the back. 16 Q. What color? 17 A. We always had those. Not those toys. 18 Vibrators, we have different types, one for the neck, one 19 for the back. You know the one that has a battery and 20 they move, with balls on it, vibrator. That's it. 21 That's what I find there. I never find anything else. 22 Those two things. 23 Q. Do you remember any names of the girls that 24 might have come over for massages? 25 A. Yes. I remember some of them. From the • • .•••••••••••••••••• 21.144yal“a14.••••••••••••••••••••••••2• J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257829  Page 21 1 beginning? From the end? 2 Q. As many as you can remember. 3 A. As many as I can remember. 4 Q. I know it's been a while. 5 A. It was It was And it was -- 6 it was It was -- how many? 7 It was also a young girl, but she was not a 8 massage therapist. She came to the house as a friend, I 9 think. I don't think she was a massage therapist. Her 10 name was -- as a matter of fact, 11 Just give me a minute. 12 13 There also were men masseuses. 14 Q. There were men too? 15 A. There were men. A few. Not that many. A 16 few. I can't remember. 17 There was an There was 18 a I think every name -- girls' names. In 19 eleven years, I cannot remember. 20 Q. That's fine. 21 A. There were girls coming and going. There 22 were girls traveling with him as massage therapists: 23 They would travel with him all over the world, because he 24 was in the plane, he got massages on the plane, 25 because -- I know because I used to supply the oils and J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257830  Page 22 1 the towels for the plane. 2 Q. Would you clean his plane too? 3 A. No, no. 4 Q. Did you ever travel with him anywhere? 5 A. No, no. 6 Q. When he went to New York or Arizona or his 7 private island? 8 A. I've been on his island. I've been as a 9 guest, as a vacation. We just took vacations, and I went 10 to his island in the Caribbean. And I've been in New 11 Mexico. I've been at his house in London. But not as a 12 worker, just vacation. 13 Q. As a vacation? 14 A. Uh-huh. 15 We went to New Mexico for -- it was kind of 16 a symposium about how to clean homes. It was this lady 17 who make -- teach all the house people, housemen, and 18 they invited us to Santa Fe, New Mexico, to teach us how 19 to clean homes. That was kind of stupid. 20 Q. How he wanted it to be cleaned? 21 A. Yes. We didn't get that much. 22 Q. Can you think of anything that I haven't 23 asked you that might be relevant to this? 24 A. I can't think of anything. Basically it's 25 the same questions that the other investigator asked me. CONSOR & ASSOCIATE REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257831  Page 23 1 Exactly the same. 2 I wish I could give you more names. 3 4 Q. I'm not going to ask you to do that because 5 I know it's been a long time. I can't think of stuff I 6 did last week. 7 A. It's been a long time. 8 Q. If by any chance you are contacted again by 9 his investigator again for any more questions or anything 10 or any packages that he may deliver to you -- 11 A. They have to go to Mr. 12 Q. I was going to say, have him contact your 13 attorney. 14 MR. Packages? Are we expecting a 15 delivery of something? 16 DET. No. I'm just saying -- 17 MR. IIIIIIII Okay. Just making sure there 18 wasn't something I didn't know about. 19 DET. I.e., gifts, et cetera. 20 That kind of thing. 21 THE WITNESS: No. 22 DET. I would appreciate a phone 23 call just to give me a heads up. 24 THE WITNESS: I do not intend to contact 25 him at all. J. CONSOR & ASSOCI G & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257832  Page 24 1 DET. Okay. I appreciate it. 2 And that's it. 3 (Thereupon, the sworn statement was 4 concluded at 1:05 p.m.) 5 - - - 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 J. CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257833  Page 25 1 THE STATE OF FLORIDA, 2 COUNTY OF PALM BEACH. 3 4 5 I, the undersigned authority, certify that 6 personally appeared before me and was duly 7 sworn. 8 9 WITNESS my hand and official seal this 5th day 10 of December, 2005. 11 12 13 14 RPR 15 Notary Public - State of JIIIIIIIIIIIII 17 4gaPy‘ 18 Expo,!!!!!!ii •-callt Bonded ar6 19 kriontit. eanitega 20 21 22 23 24 25 CONSOR & ASSOCIATES REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION EFTA00257834  Page 26 1 1 C ERTIFICATE 2 The State Of Florida, 3 County Of Palm Beach. ) 4 5 I, Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of 6 Florida at Large, do hereby certify that was by me first duly sworn to testify the whole truth; 7 that I was authorized to and did report said sworn statement in stenotype; and that the foregoing pages, 8 numbered from 1 to 24, inclusive, are a true and correct transcription of my shorthand notes of said sworn 9 statement. 10 I further certify that said sworn statement was taken at the time and place hereinabove set forth and 11 that the taking of said sworn statement was commenced and completed as hereinabove set out. 12 I further certify that I am not an attorney or 13 counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or employee of any attorney or counsel of party connected 14 with the action, nor am I financially interested in the action. 15 The foregoing certification of this transcript 16 does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means unless under the direct control and/or direction of 17 the certifying reporter. 18 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 5th day of December, 2005. 19 20 21 Notary Public In and fo the St 'da 22 My Commission No. My Commission Expires 3 7 2006 23 24 25 •• • J. 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