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-1 of 29 - OFFICIAL RECORD FD-302 (Rev. 5.8-10) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date of entry 02/24/2021 date of birth was interviewed in person in ver the course of 3 days spanning from 10/14/2020 to . resent for this interview was Assistant United States Attorney Detective and Special Agent Also present for this interview was ttorney and A ter •eing advised of the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, provided the following information: (10/14/2020) recalls that she first met GHISLAINE MAXWELL in September of 1997. She recalls this date because it was a year after she had left the universit but it was rior to her birthda . This friend knew MAXWELL. goes to MAXWELL's house in Belgravia and meets MAXWELL for the first time. MAXWELL was nice and asked many questions. She asked about herself and what she wanted to do with her future. At the time MAXWELL was having a party and everyone there seemed to be nice and happy. knew some of the people there so she felt comfortable. imtagatamon 10/14/2020 a In Person) Aka 500-NY -3027571 Date drafted 12/23/2020 by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the properly of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. 3501.210-007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 1 of 29 EFTA_00074128 EFTA01248577 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 CominustionofFD402of (U) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 2 of 29 After about a week MAXWELL's boyfriend (JEFFREY EPSTEIN) shows up in and meets him. Together they made her feel comfortable and welcome. MAXWELL was smart and witty and EPSTEIN was friendly and kind. On this first instance they met in the office and everything went fine. recalls that EPSTEIN put his foot in her lap. It had seemed odd but MAXWELL laughed. MAXWELL may have said something about rubbing his foot. It was strange but did it. EPSTEIN asked her lots of questions. MAXWELL and EPSTEIN seemed close. felt like she trusted them. knew that EPSTEIN was someone important but at the time wasn't totally sure why. She knew he had lots of homes and employees. Afterwards, ran errands. The pilots also seemed nice. felt safe and excited. does not recall a strict timeline on when she moved to New York Prior to moving to New York she recalls seeing EPSTEIN a few more times in On the third occasion MAXWELL leaves the office and tells that she doesn't have to come until the next day because EPSTEIN was leaving. EPSTEIN tells that he has to take a rest and he tells her to come to the room. While in there he asks her to rub his foot. Then there was a very unexpected incident that occurred. At this point in the interview, it was very upsetting to and she wished to not talk further on this incident. Afterwards goes home. wanted to go to America but was afraid that MAXWELL would be mad at her over what had happened with EPSTEIN. may have called a friend to discuss what happened. goes in the office to tell MAXWELL what EPSTEIN had done. had to build up the courage to do this. After she tells MAXWELL what 3501.210.007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 2 of 29 EFTA 00074129 EFTA01248578 FD-3029(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 CominuationofFD-302of an Interview of Mn 10/14/2020 _page 3 of 29 happened, feels dumb as though she "made a mountain out of a mole hill". MAXWELL made it feel as though it wasn't a big deal. She made feel like a fool, like she shouldn't have said anything and like it's not important. MAXWELL flipped it and made her feel like she was lucky and that somehow was special. Prior to moving to New York, learned to drive in one week. It was very stressful failed the first time taking the test and MAXWELL tells her it's ok and to try again. takes it again and she passes. That afternoon, prior to taking the test, a flight had already been booked. Prior to leaving , takes a trip on with MAXWELL to meet mother and father. Both of parents loved MAXWELL as she was charming, funny and likeable. They all laugh at this comment. They all felt safe and MAXWELL told parents that she was going to look after their daughter. was really trusting back then and was taught to respect her elders. When eventually moves to the United States she first travels to Palm Beach where she stays for about three days before she moves to New York. When in New York, she is shown what will be her apartment/ studio. This apartment was provided to and would be docked out of her pay. MAXWELL shows a map of Manhattan and points out where everyone lives and where the office is located. MAXWELL felt motherly and felt she cared for her. The office is where they run their properties. in MAXWELL's office. recalls that her apartment was The office was on 51 Street. MAXWELL's flat was on 84 Street. EPSTEIN's house was on 71 Street. helped MAXWELL to clear through her closet and clear and organize her house. She also assisted in helping with her house design, decorating and running errands. She would document antiques that were sold or bought. 3501.210.007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 3 of 29 EFTA 00074130 EFTA01248579 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 CominustionofFD-302of (U) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 _page 4 of 29 started making friends and going out Everything was on a need-to-know basis. There was always a never ending list of things to do and it was very overwhelming. Over time, things changed a lot. Things got bigger...the planes, the houses. It was constant work. At first, had felt like part of a family. She felt accepted and felt like they cared. They traveled often and felt lucky. The travel started right away. Sometimes, would travel with them but not actually stay with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN. Sometimes when they went to Florida would go and stay with her boyfriend. If she went to the island or to the ranch then she definitely would stay with them. When went to England or Palm Beach she would sometimes visit with family or friends while there. learned to stop asking questions because they would get annoyed. MAXWELL would give her that sense. states that her friend said that he trusted these people as well so they both felt difficulties processing what all has been unfolding. They (EPSTEIN and MAXWELL) are "people you admire so it's difficult to comprehend that they would do these things". knet. from back then. walked into a flat to check on it. She would make sure that everything was neat and working and that it was stocked with groceries. went to change the kettle and III was there in his boxers. was shocked. They ended up chatting and hanging out. In or around went to a concert with They talked about how difficult it was for thinks that might be part of this case. It makes angry with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN because family are a sweet family. 3501.210.007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 4 of 29 EFTA 00074131 EFTA01248580 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 _page S of 29 met them in on one occasion and in last year when then noticed that MAXWELL was not happy and she would take it out on her. Their relationship changed a lot. More people started coming around all the time. It became less friendly between MAXWELL and did not feel valued. In New York it was more intense. On the Island did not want to be there. In 2001, they were being mean and felt like she was getting pushed out. She felt trapped and didn't know where to go. It was getting toxic and there were lots of arguments. One example of this that recalls is that one day she was feeling sad and depressed when MAXWELL looked at her and says "I don't want to look at you just go home". didn't see them together that much, maybe in Palm Beach. MAXWELL and EPSTEIN would fight and argue. Then MAXWELL would be in a bad mood. Sometimes EPSTEIN would yell at . This happened more often met-around that time and she often traveled with him and not with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN. Lots of staff left around this time. It was a toxic environment and didn't feel like a family anymore. A couple at the ranch left. best friend in New York left. was told she could not call her anymore and she was scared to contact her. It seemed ridiculous that she could not contact her friend but she had signed a non-disclosure. sister, who worked at the ranch, also left. From the start, believed that EPSTEIN and MAXWELL were boyfriend and girlfriend. was told from the start that wealthy men that aren't married don't have to settle down with one person. EPSTEIN had girlfriends and accepted that. did not know who was just a friend and who was a girlfriend. thought that MAXWELL just really wanted to marry him. She seemed 3501.210.007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 5 of 29 EFTA 00074132 EFTA01248581 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 _page 6 of 29 like a lost soul and it seemed like she wanted to just settle down and have kids. By the time left it seemed as though they were drifting apart. MAXWELL did not seem as important. There seemed to be another girlfriend. MAXWELL moved into 65th street. MAXWELL was very upset and crying about another girlfriend that came back. was a shoulder for her to cry on and she felt sorry for her. Not too long before left they asked her if she would carry a baby for them. later read that in the news that they did this to someone else. Near the end, EPSTEIN said he wanted to get a house for . He would drive her around and give her attention. couldn't get a house because she didn't make enough money. In the office, if EPSTEIN came in had to get his tea and muffins ready for when he sat down. was nervous that she wouldn't have it ready in time and possibly get in trouble. On one occasion she got called into his room in Palm Beach. EPSTEIN and MAXWELL were both there and they were excited. There was a bump in the bed. One of them told her to sit down and see what the bump is. pulled back the sheet and there was a violin case. They had previously known that played violin. Inside the case was a violin. They tell her to go play it. started playing it but a string broke. ran out of the room, states it felt strange. She was not sure what was happening and not sure why it was given to her in bed. Around 2011, sells the violin. The first incident in with EPSTEIN was the first time "it happened" but it happened more sporadically. felt she needed to tell MAXWELL because it was sexual. The other incidents were also sometimes sexual. There were other times that there were others involved in the sexual encounters other than EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was involved about 1-2 times. There were about 4-5 other people involved over the years. There were never males involved. The places it happened in was New York, Palm Beach, New Mexico, The Virgin Islands and on the plane. In New York it only happened after and she would be caught off guard when it happened. On the plane it happened once on their way to Harvard. Sometimes 3501.210.007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 6 of 29 EFTA 00074133 EFTA01248582 FD-3029(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 7 of 29 on the plane • would serve meals but she generally just rubbed EPSTEIN's feet. It would get put in head that she was great at foot massages. She gave foot massages to MAXWELL sometimes. In the beginning that's how it all started, with foot massages. massaged EPSTEIN's hands when they were at the movies a lot. had her photo taken on the beach on the island by the rocks by MAXWELL. The photo session was meant to just be this fun thing with no real purpose. MAXWELL told her this. Other people on the island were there for this. just did what she was told and it felt a bit like peer pressure. The photos that were taken on the rocks was not wearing clothes. No one was wearing clothes. felt like she had to. She thinks she has seen these photos since. Sometimes would get a towel and lotion and do a massage properly. and EPSTEIN would talk during these times. would never know if these massages would lead into something else or not. There was not necessarily a pattern because it was different in each place they traveled. Sometimes EPSTEIN would say "see you upstairs". Sometimes would massage his feet and he would fall asleep. Sometimes it would lead to something else. never had intercourse with EPSTEIN. It was a rule that MAXWELL told . MAXWELL said that she was the only one that sleeps in his bed. MAXWELL said, "I'm the girlfriend and I'm the one that gets to sleep with him." At the time, just thought this was what was expected of her. He reduced her to accept this as her job. thought she wasn't worth more. [Agent note: At this point in the interview a break was taken and Detective Byrne stepped out of the room and was no longer present during the following portion of the interview.] described herself as a girl who is shy and closes the curtain in the changing room. At the time of the photograph incident, was not comfortable with 3501.210.007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 7 of 29 EFTA 00074134 EFTA01248583 FD-3029(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 ,page 8 of 29 it, but felt like she would get in trouble if she said no. felt empty and it did not feel right. would not have chosen to do something like that. MAXWELL was quite flippant saying something like, "Oh, no one's going to see your face; you'll blend into the rocks." could not say no; she was on an island with no where to go and was telling her to do something. Another time photographs were taken it was just and EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN took out a camera and said "take your top off". did not want to do that. EPSTEIN pushed her (not physically) to do something did not want to do. EPSTEIN took a photograph of without her top on. wondered why he was making her feel that way. felt disappointment that she did not matter. felt that EPSTEIN and MAXWELL were kind generous people but she was scared of them as well. MAXWELL referred to as her "little sister". MAXWELL also referred to in derogatory terms but would say that it was all in jest. MAXWELL and EPSTEIN were cruel. remembered the incident with the violin and remembered it being really dark. could not remember everything in the specific sequence it happened. thought "it happened" one to two times maximum. MAXWELL left her alone after that. thought it was after it happened that MAXWELL stroked arm saying, "You have such soft skin." thought MAXWELL thought she went over the line because of how reacted. could not remember if MAXWELL was nude. MAXWELL was not ashamed of her body. MAXWELL would strip one thing off and change into something else. would turn her back. That was when their relationship started to go sour because would not go along with it. A separate incident from the violin incident was a time where MAXWELL was sitting on the left side opposite while EPSTEIN was to the right of EPSTEIN was on the right hand side where his gun was. MAXWELL was topless. thought MAXWELL grabbed her arm and put it on MAXWELL's chest. was in a situation she did not want to be in did not ask for it nor did she want it. did not find MAXWELL attractive and felt sick. It felt like it was an out of body 3501.210.007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 8 of 29 EFTA 00074135 EFTA01248584 FD-302a(Rev.5$10) 50D-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-30.1 of f0) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 9 of 29 experience for -; she was extremely uncomfortable and unhappy about the situation. It was a situation that should not have happened. It involved the removal of clothes. They never spoke of it again people don't talk about issues that are difficult. felt an excuse to leave really fast. never had intercourse with EPSTEIN and never had "anything major" with a woman. had similar experiences with friends of hers she met through EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. Nothing sort of major happened. The stuff has read about that is • orno• ra • hic did not ha••en to her. The incidents with peers were where they were all older than her. felt the whole world knows these things and felt stuck in a nightmare. talked about a really upsetting time when she was invited on a trip to the island. At the time, was living in There was a science convention being held on the island. was initially excited about it; . When arrived there were four or five other women there that she had not met before. was shown to a room with three other people and felt it was strange. At one point someone came to take to EPSTEIN and she followed. One person grabbed EPSTEIN's foot, while another grabbed an arm, and another a hand. was rubbing EPSTEIN's foot. (Agent note: attorney interjected saying that EPSTEIN was pleasuring himself or the others were pleasuring him during this incident. concurred with this statement.) was dumbfounded that she was put in this situation - she did not see it coming. was really angry. did not remember the rest of the trip. had thought she was being asked there as a special guest but she felt she was just being used. 3501.210.007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 9 of 29 EFTA 00074136 EFTA01248585 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 CominustionofFD-302of (U) Interview of Mn 10/14/2020 .page 10 of 29 When went to her school fees were paid for the first year. MAXWELL still came into town occasionally. MAXWELL wanted to meet friends; she always wanted to meet everyone in her life. MAXWELL would want a massage therapist or a yoga instructor when she came into town. There was one dinner where showed up to and realized MAXWELL was up to something. This was in and BILL CLINTON arrived. felt it was a lovely dinner and it was the first and only time she met CLINTON. When was in MAXWELL was very pushy and was fearful of her. felt that MAXWELL had changed. recalled sitting opposite of one of them and felt that something was different, like their soul wasn't there anymore. felt it was difficult to explain. It was also conflicting for at the same time as she also still felt a fondness for MAXWELL. met PRINCE ANDREW a few times; there were no strange experiences with him. felt she did not know what to believe anymore. saw PRINCE ANDREW in Palm Beach. EPSTEIN told to take PRINCE ANDREW to a bar in Miami. went there with another friend and everything was fine. What has read about him and what her experience with him was different. Around the end of 2007/2008 friend asked, "Oh have you heard about Jeffrey". When responded no, her friend told her EPSTEIN was in trouble. just thought someone was after his money. thought he was in jail for about a year and a half. thought EPSTEIN had done something he wasn't supposed to do; someone had told her that someone had accused EPSTEIN of something. Next thing heard was that some women were talking about investigation taking place. remembered thinking "oh my God there are these really young girls". was upset because she knew EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. would have seen MAXWELL before EPSTEIN went to jail but she did not recall speaking to MAXWELL about it. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 10 of 29 EFTA 00074137 EFTA01248586 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of Mn 10/14/2020 _page 11 of 29 In or around August 2019, had read about the recent investigation. read about "these girls" and was upset about it as she was reading it along with the rest of the world. When saw the case was regarding child sex trafficking she thought it was fake news because her experience was different. In or around February 2008 was the last time saw EPSTEIN and it was horrendous. [Agent note: Interview concluded for 10/14/20.] (10/15/2020) Present at the start of the interview day 2 was Assistant United States Attorney III, Detective and Special Agent Also present was attorney and states that she was not sure about EPSTEIN's and MAXWELL's financial relationship. MAXWELL was getting a salary of some kind. She may have done things separately, maybe the stock market but was not totally sure. JOHN and MARY were the housekeepers in Palm Beach. They were a kind and sweet couple. Each house had a couple that looked after it. MARY would clean, but JOHN would also. JOHN also served drinks and would sometimes drive. He cooked a bit and made breakfast, and did maintenance. EPSTEIN did not have a personal assistant until later when replaced her. EPSTEIN had people in the office and in each home that helped a lot. She was really nice. showed her around the different homes but they didn't cross over that much. would have arrived around August or September of 2001. 3501.210.007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 11 of 29 EFTA 00074138 EFTA01248587 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD402of (O) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 _page 12 of 29 The office would schedule appointments. Each home had staff which would take over when EPSTEIN arrived. was told to treat him like a king. didn't know what everyone was doing at all times. EPSTEIN and MAXWELL both received regular massages. heard that EPSTEIN would have multiple a day. was aware that he would get the massages but she also read that he did. He would get massages at all of his properties. They would arrive at some point during the trip. was probably asked to call someone at some point. was aware that there would sometimes be a couple massages a day. The massages were important to him; EPSTEIN would say they were therapeutic and they helped him think. In Palm Beach, thought maybe JOHN or MARY would call someone to come in for massages. When was in Palm Beach she would fly in with them and then often go to see her boyfriend. "The Book", which was an address book, is how they scheduled massages. The book is the one that's all over the Internet now. The Book was there the whole time that worked there. There was a black book for EPSTEIN and a blue book for MAXWELL. They may have used each book. sometimes put information into the book. It was an annoying thing and had to be updated regularly. Sometimes she was told to update it. Other people had access to it and updated the book. was asked about people in the book coming to give massages. She states that she just was told to put the names and addresses in the book. She said she was asked to call someone from the book. She had called a friend to chat. had only called to schedule massages a few times. She would be told to call someone to come for a massage. At the Palm Beach house when someone would show up to give a massage they would let themselves in. They would go upstairs to the massage room and maybe be there for about an hour. Afterwards towels would be brought down and put into the washing machine by the massage therapist. JOHN paid them by writing a check or giving cash. Then they would go home. Sometimes the cash came from petty cash. What observed was girls her age or older giving massages. One girl flew over from California. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 12 01'29 EFTA 00074139 EFTA01248588 FD-302a(Rev.5-R-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 13 of 29 was asked if it was always just one person coming for the massage to which she stated yes. stated that she later found out that a friend's sister had come over. In reference to the book would have said "this is the book with all of EPSTEIN's contacts and he sometimes gets massages". was more focused on the home design. stated that she did recognize the book that she saw online. She recognized it because she has seen it it's definitely real. The book has grown since she's seen it and the massage list has grown a lot. MAXWELL had asked if she wanted to be training in massage therapy to which she stated no. thinks that JOHN and MARY were still working there when she left. recalled orking there was working as a receptionist. sometimes stepped in for her in the New York office. She would answer phones and also worked for EPSTEIN's company. She was a financial advisor for "Epstein and Company". EPSTEIN was interested in very wealthy and important people's money that only earned over a certain amount. MAXWELL said something about this but EPSTEIN told the specific amount of money he dealt with. Everyone traveled at some point. There were times MAXWELL and EPSTEIN went on trips without wasn't there all the time. may have met some of the clients but when she met people she did not know if they were clients or not. LES WEXNER was one of EPSTEIN's clients. thought that EPSTEIN got the 71 Street house from WEXNER. EPSTEIN was very proud to have WEXNER as a client. EPSTEIN told he invested his money. does not remember meeting anyone else that worked for EPSTEIN financially. was asked who else she recalled working in the office. She stated that lawyers, assistants and people that dealt with his personal finances worked in the office. Gardeners and builders all needed to be paid at all of his properties. 3501.210-007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 13 of 29 EFTA_00074140 EFTA01248589 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 50D-NY -3027571 Continuation of FD-302 of (V) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 % page 14 of 29 was asked about III and his family. She stated the family is abou knew the whole family. knew III from was a friend that she thought was does not think he was when she first met him. When they met back up in hey became was not sure when she first met She recalled being wit at the home in served them tea. They were discussing a scholarship. JOHN and MARY told that they give lots of scholarships to young people. met a few times. They wereillillillscholarships. thought either had received scholarships. thought they lived in When first met them they seemed like a really nice family. JOHN and MARY were probably there for this. The family was probably there to see EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. The next time saw was in at some point. EPSTEIN told to take out. thought was cool and she took her out with her friends. In would go to dinners with the family. She went to birthday party. realizes now that this may CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 14 of 29 EFTA_00074141 EFTA01248590 FD-302a (Rev. 5•&10) SOD-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-301of U) Interview of ,on 10/14/2020 ,page 15 Of 29 have been happening prior to when she arrived. was asked if she remembered to which she stated yes. thought she met her in the kitchen in Palm Beach around the end of 2000. was introduced to as being the new traveling massage therapist. was friend who used to do that job. MAXWELL introduced to She remembered meeting her in the kitchen but she also read about this in many places. was either told by MAXWELL or that used to work at Mar-A-Lago. seemed quite young and nice. drove home at one point but doesn't remember where she lived. seemed pretty confident. was on the plane a few times going to the same place as and she had seen her at the house a few times. was then asked what places she traveled with stated they went to the island together a few times. Flight logs show only a few people traveling there but people traveled there on other planes. Other places they traveled together were would give massages at these places while traveling. was envious of because she was not sure what ■ would do with her free time. and MAXWELL seemed to be friendly with each other but did not recall much. did not remember much of ' relationship with EPSTEIN but thinks it was probably friendly as well. may have seen at the house with someone else but not she was not sure who it was. never met any of ' family or friends. On one occasion, seemed strange but it was unclear if she was on some drugs or alcohol. 3501.210-007 CONFIDENTIAL Page 15 of 29 EFTA_00074142 EFTA01248591 FD-302a(Rev.5-840) 50D-NY-3027571 CominuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 16 of 29 was not really friends with but was friendly with her. was friendly to everyone. was asked about other frequent visitors. stated that was there and was a good friend of hers. was asked about other traveling massage therapists. She stated that was one. She was not sure if she recalled that from meeting her or from later. came to Balmoral and Palm Beach a few times. She came from to Palm Beach. was told to take her to a yoga studio. She took too long while there and EPSTEIN got mad and yelled at for being late. id not step in and take the blame. may have been a girlfrien . stated that she did recall meeting was a massage therapist that came from She was nice and friendly. She flew in a few times and was around pretty much the whole time. EPSTEIN and MAXWELL had a friendly relationship with her. was a bit older so was not really friends with her. [Agent note: At this point in the interview a break was taken and Detective Byrne stepped out of the room and was no longer present during the following portion of the interview.] CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page1601'29 EFTA 00074143 EFTA01248592 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) SOD-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 17 of 29 recalled being on a trip with to MAXWELL and went carpet shopping and a taxi drove them around. would have been with EPSTEIN while MAXWELL and were out. did not share a room with while they were in When was asked if she had any reason to belive had sexual contact with EPSTEIN and/or MAXWELL and she replied no. When was asked if she witnessed any sexual contact with EPSTEIN and MAXWELL, she replied no. has given only the one written statement. has not given any interviews. thought that if she defended herself she would be attacked. No lawyers had tried to contact her except for MAXWELL's attorneys about the book. The second time the book was released it talked about orgies on the