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Discovery Request to Edwards and Response EFTA01099387  IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT, IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA JEFFREY EPSTEIN Complex Litigation, Fla. R. Civ. Pro.1201 Plaintiff, v. Case No. 50 2009CA040800XXXXMB AG SCOTT ROTHSTEIN, individually, BRADLEY J. EDWARDS, individually, and L.M., individually, Defendants. PLAINTIFF'S NOTICE OF SERVING FIRST SET OF INTERROGATORIES DIRECTED TO DEFENDANT BRADLEY J. EDWARDS Plaintiff, Jeffrey Epstein, (hereinafter "Mr. Epstein"), by and through his undersigned attorneys hereby files this Notice of Serving First Set of Interrogatories Directed to Defendant Bradley J. Edwards (hereinafter "Edwards"), pursuant to Rule 1.340, Florida Rules of Civil Procedure, and request the Defendant to answer said interrogatories in writing within thirty (30) days from date of service hereof. Certificate of Service I HEREBY CERTIFY that a true copy of the foregoing was sent by fax and U.S. Mail to the following addressees on this 5th day of April , 2010: MARC S. NURIK, ESQ. Gary M. Farmer, Jr., Esq. Law Offices of Marc S. Nurik Farmer, Jaffe, Weissing, Edwards, Fistos One East Broward Boulevard & Lehrman, PL Suite 700 425 N. Andrews Avenue, Suite 2 Fort L uderdale, FL 33301 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 EFTA01099388 Epstein v. Rothstein, et al. Page 2 Fax Fax Attorneys&Defendant Scott Rothstein Attorneys for Defendant, L.M. Jack Scarola, Esq. Jack Alan Goldberger, Esq. Searcy Denney Scarola Barnhart & Atterbury Goldberger & Weiss, P.A • Shipley, P.A 250 Australian Avenue South 2139 Palm Beach Lakes Blvd. Suite 1400 West Palm Beach, FL 33409 West FL 33401-5012 686-6300 Fax: 383-9424 F Co-Counse for Jeffrey Epstein Attorneys for Defendant Bradley Edwards BURMAN, CRITTON, LUTTIER & COLEMAN, LLP 303 Banyan Boulevard Suite 400 FL 33401 Favi By: Robert . Critton, Jr. Florida ar #224162 Michae J. Pike Florida Bar #617296 (Counsel for Defendant Jeffrey Epstein) EFTA01099389 Epstein v. Rothstein, et al. Page 3 PLAINTIFF'S FIRST SET OF INTERROGATORIES DIRECTED TO DEFENDANT BRADLEY J. EDWARDS 1. As to paragraph 12 of your Counterclaim, state the following in detail: a) Identify specifically all damages which you claim you have suffered to your reputation. Include in your response, how your reputation has been damaged, to whom (person or entity) your reputation has been damaged, any loss of income which you claim as a result of the current lawsuit against you and how you calculate that loss. b) Identify in detail how the lawsuit filed against you has interfered in any professional relationships. Identify in your answer all professional relationships which have in any way been negatively impacted or lost or compromised as a result of this lawsuit. Identify the name and address of the individual and/or entity with whom you have the professional relationship, how it has been affected and identify any monetary damage which you sustained. EFTA01099390 Epstein v. Rothstein, et al. Page 4 c) Identify by date the exact amount of time (and specify how your time was spent) that has been diverted from your professional responsibilities. 2. (a) Identify all costs and/or fees you have incurred (to whom and under what circumstances) for the defense of the Epstein claim as set forth in paragraph 12 of your Counterclaim. (b) State whether you have a written or oral fee agreement with Searcy Denney and the terms of same. Include amount of money paid to date and if you paid a retainer. EFTA01099391 Epstein v. Rothstein, et al. Page 5 3. During the time you were associated with Rothstein, Rosenfeldt & Adler, P.A. ("RRA"), state the following: a) Identify by person and date any person who performed any searches of trash at 358 El Brill° Way, Palm Beach, Florida which is alleged to be the home of Mr. Epstein which were authorized by you or which you learned had taken place, if not authorized by you. If not authorized by you, identify who did authorize it? b) Identify all individuals at the RRA including but not limited to any one of its attorneys or investigators or anyone retained by or working for RRA or its attorneys or investigators who conducted wire taps or "bugging" on any telephones which purported to be from the home of Mr. Epstein. Include who authorized the wire taps and dates it took place. c) Identify all individuals at the RRA including but not limited to any one of its attorneys or investigators or anyone retained by or working for RRA or its attorneys or investigators who conducted wire taps or EFTA01099392 Epstein v. Rothstein, et al. Page 6 "bugging" on any telephones which are purported to be from the attorneys for Mr. Epstein including but not limited to: Roy Black, Alan Dershowitz or Jack Goldberger. Include who authorized the wire taps and dates it took place. d) Identify all intercepted phone conversations authorized by RRA including but not limited to any one of its attorneys or investigators or anyone retained by or working for RRA or its attorneys or investigators and/or RRA investigators; identify the date, the source of the call, who conducted the intercepted telephone conversations and whether a tape and/or transcript exist of such conversations. e) Identify all intercepted cell phone conversations authorized by RRA Including but not limited to any one of its attorneys or investigators or anyone retained by or working for RRA or its attorneys or investigators and/or RRA investigators; identify the date, the source of the call, who conducted the intercepted cell phone conversations and whether a tape EFTA01099393 Epstein v. Rothstein, et at Page 7 and/or transcript exist of such conversations. f) Identify all Individuals at the RRA including but not limited to any one of its attorneys or investigators or anyone retained by or working for RRA or its attorneys or investigators who intercepted or acquired electronic mail (e-mails) to and from the home of Mr. Epstein. Include who authorized the interception and acquisition and dates it took place. g) Identify all individuals at the RRA including but not limited to any one of its attorneys or investigators or anyone retained by or working for RRA or its attorneys or investigators who intercepted or acquired electronic mail (e-mails) to and from the attorneys for Mr. Epstein including but not limited to: Roy Black, Alan Dershowitz or Jack Goldberger. Include who authorized the interception and acquisition and dates it took place. EFTA01099394 Epstein v. Rothstein, et al. Page 8 4. Identify the names and addresses of all individuals who will testify that a sexual assault took place on an airplane purportedly owned by Mr. Epstein or a Jeffrey Epstein entity at any time between 1998 and 2005. Additionally, identify any alleged celebrity, dignitary or international figure who purportedly was on board the airplane at the time of the alleged sexual assault. 5. Identify in detail the amount of all costs (including photocopies, telephone, fax, research, investigation, travel expenses, deposition related costs, expert costs, etc.) that were incurred by you in the representation of you and/or your law firm in representing Jane Doe, L.M. and M. prior to joining RRA. 6. Identify in detail the amount of costs (including photocopies, telephone, fax, research, investigation, travel expenses, deposition related costs, expert colic.) that were incurred by RRA in its representation of Jane Doe, L.M. and during the time you were employed by RRA (or that is being EFTA01099395 Epstein v. Rothstein, et al. Page 9 claimed by the trustee in bankruptcy for RRA). Segregate by each of your 3 clients. 7. In ti tached transcript dated July 31, 2009, you stated to Judge Hafele with regard to the MI. and L.M. cases the following: 'What the evidence is really going to show is that Mr. Epstein — at least dating back as far as our investigation resources have permitted, back to 1997 or '98 — has every single day of his life, made an attempt to sexually abuse children. We're not talking about five, we're not talking about 20, we're not talking about 100, we're not talking about 400, which I believe, is the number known to law enforcement, we are talking about thousands of children, and it is through a very intricate and complicated system that he devised where he has as many as 20 people working underneath him that he is paying well to schedule these appointments, to locate these girls? (A) State all evidence to support this assertion including any individuals and/or documents which are the source of the information and identify by name and address who currently has that information. EFTA01099396 Epstein v. Rothstein, et al. Page 10 (B) List the name and addresses of all females to whom you were referring in your representation to the court. 8. During the time you were employed/associated with RRA, state the names of all attorneys at the RRA firm with whom you discussed potential dep=ts or who participated in any decision to depose witnesses in the Jane Doe, L.M. or M. cases. 9. During the time you were employed/associated with RRA, state the names of all paralegals or investigators at the RRA firm with whom you discussed potential deponeiiiir who participated in any decision to depose witnesses in the Jane Doe, L.M. or cases. EFTA01099397 Epstein v. Rothstein, et al. Page 11 STATE OF FLORIDA ) ss COUNTY OF PALM BEACH SWORN TO AND SUBSCRIBED before me this day of , 2010 by , who is personally known to me or has produced the following identification which is current or has been issued within the past five years and bears a serial or other identifying number. Print Name Signature NOTARY PUBLIC - STATE OF FLORIDA Commission Number: My commission expires: (Notarial Seal) EFTA01099398  Condensed Transcript IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE 15TH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA Plaintiff, vs. Case No. 502008CA028058 XXXXMB AD JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE HONORABLE JUDGE DONALD W. HAFELE July 31.,_2009 8:30M. 205 N. Dixie Highway West Palm Beach, FL 33401 Jennifer DiLorenzo, court reporter Toll Free: Facsimile: 0 Suite 1300 51.5 East Las Olas Boulevard ESQUIRE an Al ..... 0O1e CeeP441 aL F i iiiw cled... i 301 EFTA01099399 Proceedings July 31, 2009 1 3 IN TNN CIRCUIT COURT OF 711! 1371i JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN 1 Proceedings In the Matter 0all. vs. JEFFREY EPSTEIN. AND roe PAL$ BEACH COUNTY, PLORIOA 2 July 31, 2009 8:30 3 THE COURT: Good morning, gentlemen. 4 We're here this morning on the Plaintiffs Plaintiff. motions to add punitive damages. Who will be Case Mo. S0200BCR0280S0 6 arguing on behalf of the Plaintiff? XXXX/al AD JEFFREY !PEPSIN. 7 MR. EDWARDS: Brad Edwards, Your Honor. Defendant. 8 THE COURT: Alright, Mr. Edwards. 9 MR. EDWARDS: Do I need to gob the 10 podium or is right here line? PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE 11 THE COURT: Whichever you prefer. HONORABLE JUDO! DONALD N. NAMES 12 MR. EDWARDS: Your Honor, with our motion JaLy 31. 2009 13 we flied - and. I believe, Your Honor has It 5:30M. - 14 the discovery that was submitted to Mr. Epstein, 205 N. Dixie NighwaY 15 which consists of Requests for Admissions, Nest Palm Beach. FL 1)401 16 Requests for Production, Interrogatories, as 17 well as Interrogatory responses under oath by my 18 client. 19 THE COURT: Do you have any cases that Jennifer DILOtenzo, court reporter 20 speak to the presumption relative to the 21 Defendant exercising his Fifth and Sixth 22 Amendment rights during the deposition testimony 23 and/or during any other discovery? 24 MR. EDWARDS: Sure. Your Honor. 25 THE COURT: I know that Mr. Critton in his 2 4 1 APPEARANCES OF COUNSEL 1 reply memorandum Indicated some conflict in 2 2 terms of the nature of the discussions of the 3 On behalf of the Plaintiff: 4 ROTHSTEIN, ROSENFELDT & ADLER 3 appellate courts relative to that issue. BY: WILLIAM J. BERGER, ESO., MR. EDWARDS: May I approach? S Mars Park Office Tower Suite 675 THE COURT: Thank you. 6 225 NE Mime( Boulevard MR. EDWARDS: I'm going to present the 7 7 case of Fraser vs. Security and Investment out of the Fourth DCA. ROTHSTEIN, ROSENFELDT & ADLER 9 The pertinent pan, It says: "Our 9 BY: BRADLEY J. EDWARDS, ESO., 10 conclusion Is consistent with the prevailing 401 EMI Las O1as Boulevard 11 rule that the Fifth Amendment does not forbid . 10 Suite 1650 12 adverse inferences against parties to civil 11 13 actions when they refuse to testify In response 33394 12 14 to probative evidence offered against them: the 13 On behalf of the Defendant is amendment 'does not preclude the inference where 14 BURMAN. CRITTON, LUTTIER & COLEMAN BY: ROBERT 0. CRITTON, JR., ESQ.. 16 the privilege is claimed by a party to a civil 15 515 Noah Reeler Drive 17 cause." Stile 400 18 It skips down and says: 'Such a rule is 16 , FL 33401 19 both logical and utilitarian. A party may not 27 20 trample upon the rights of others and then 18 19 21 escape the consequences by invoking a 20 22 constitutional privilege - at least not in a 21 22 23 civil setting.' 23 24 The final paragraph on that page says: 24 25 'Nor are we persuaded that the fact of 25 Toll Free: Facsimile: Suite 1300 ESQUIRE ”Mo Methann 515 East Las Olas Boulevard EFTA01099400 Proceedings July 31, 2009 5 7 1 invocation of the prNilege is Irrelevant and 1 we're not talking about 400, which, I believe, 2 immaterial' "In the case" Sorry, 'Mr. 2 is the number known to law enforcement, we are 3 Justice Brandeis... observed that 'Silence is 3 talking about thousands of children, and it is 4 often evidence of the most persuasive 4 through a very intricate and complicated system character." that he devised where he has as many as 20 6 Clearly, this case, out of our district 6 people working underneath him that he is paying court, is an indication that adverse inferences 7 well to schedule these appointments, to locate may be drawn. 8 these girls. 9 Right now we are al a punitive damages 9 He particularly goes after a very 10 stage. We are not at a stage where we are 10 vulnerable and impressionable age group that -- 11 talking about the admissibility of evidence. We 11 THE COURT: To use the quotation, 'the 12 are -- 12 evidence will show the Defendant sought out 13 THE COURT: Speaking only of a proffer to 13 underprivileged and economically disadvantaged 14 establish punitive damages as required under 14 minor females; and later go on to say, 15 768.721, correct? is 'influenced them away from the typical 16 MR. EDWARDS: Exactly, and I was going to, 16 adolescent lifestyle as a result of his 17 for the record, read that part of 768.721: "In 17 allegedly criminal acts." 18 a civil action, there is a' -- 18 MR. EDWARDS: And that is exactly what 19 THE COURT: I think we can skip that. 19 he's done. The age group begins as young as 20 MR. EDWARDS: Okay. 20 12 years old and as old as 16 years old. There 21 THE COURT: The statute speaks for itself 21 will be evidence that at 16 years old, many of 22 and it's a part of the record today, so why 22 the girls are told, 'You're getting too old for 23 don't you go ahead and proceed? 23 me.' 24 MR. EDWARDS: The reasonable showing, by 24 He very dearly targets this specific age 25 way of proffer, that there is an intentional 25 group and has a method to this; that is, 'Get 6 8 1 misconduct or gross negligence on behalf of the 1 the girls inside the house and I wilt do the 2 Defendant. 2 rest.' and he creates this God-like aura for 3 Intentional misconduct is defined as 'the 3 these girls and -- 4 Defendant had actual knowledge of the wrong 4 THE COURT: Let's talk about - pardon me 5 permissible conduct and the high probability s for interrupting you - let's talk about the 6 that injury or damage lo the claimant would 6 precise claims that are being made here. You're 7 result and, despite that knowledge, 7 dealing with M. and L.M. • they're pseudonyms 8 intentionally pursued that course of conduct a for purposes of this litigation. Why don't we 9 resulting in injury or damage." 9 speak to those two individuals at this juncture 10 In this case, we have intentional 10 and how the punitive damage proffer is 11 misconduct of the worse kind. This is a case 11 sufficient or insufficient relative to them 12 that has been presented to the public through 12 individually, please? 13 public relations people for the Defendant at 13 I understand the global allegations and I 14 times as "five or six bad under-aged prostitutes 14 understand the allegedly wide scale situation 15 from a high school that, as one of their stops, 15 that you're suggesting as you've alleged here, 16 wound up at Mr. Epstein's home," and that's not 16 but I want to go now to the precise claims made 17 the case at all. 17 by these two Plaintiffs who are in front of the 18 What the evidence is really going to show 18 Court today, and whether or not that proffer Is 19 is that Mr. Epstein - al least dating back as 19 sufficient to satisfy the case law, including 20 far as our Investigation and resources have 20 the case that Mr. Critton cited, and that is: 21 permitted, back to 1997 or '98 - has every 21 The Estate of Despain. D-E-S•P-A-I-N, vs. Avante 22 single day of his life, made an attempt to 22 Group, Inc., which is found at 900 So.2d. 637, 23 sexually abuse children. 23 and that was a Fifth District Court of Appeal 24 We're not talking about five, we're not 24 case, decided in 2005. 25 talking about 20, we're not talking about 100, 25 MR. EDWARDS: Yes, Your Honor, and that Is Toll Free: Facsimile: Suite 1300 ESQUIRE • AI mein CI all' Caw pat 515 East Las 0las Boulevard EFTA01099401 Proceedings July 31, 2009 9 11 1 the case that states: 'a 'proffer' according to 1 the Defendant. I also observed sexual acts and 2 traditional notions of the term, connotes merely 2 had sexual acts perpetrated on me and was forced 3 an 'offer of evidence and neither the term 3 to perform on me, including oral sex and other 4 standing alone nor the statute Itself calls for 4 activities. At various times I was unclothed, an adjudication of the underlying veracity...is 5 as was Defendant and others. At all times 6 merely a representation of what evidence the 6 material, I was a child under the age of 7 defendant proposes to present.* 7 18 years. I was a victim of various criminal 8 We can turn to the sworn Interrogatory acts and sexual exploitation. I was induced and 9 answers. No. 8, wherein L.M. and, similarly, 9 coerced by the Defendant into acts of 10 III., in slightly different words, states: 'I 10 prostitution? 11 was touched, battered, and fondled by Defendant 11 THE COURT: Thank you. You were going to 12 Jeffrey Epstein during the incidents described 12 speak to a legal point — 13 in the complaint. I observed the Defendant 13 MR. EDWARDS: Right. 14 touch and fondle himself. I observed the 14 THE COURT: •- before I asked you to read 15 Defendant ejaculate numerous times. I was made 15 into the record those Interrogatory answers. Go 16 to touch the Defendant. I also observed sexual 16 ahead. 17 acts and had sexual acts perpetrated on me by 17 MR. EDWARDS: Where we left off was the 18 Defendant Jeffrey Epstein. At various times I 18 coercion into prostitution. What makes these 19 was unclothed, as was the Defendant and others. 19 crimes so egregious is the fact that these girls 20 Al all times material, I was a child under the 20 that we're talking about were all beginning 21 age of 18 years old. The Defendant also used me 21 their grooming process with Mr. Epstein when 22 to bring him other minor gids and he controlled 22 they're 14 and 16 and 16 years old. 23 and brainwashed me' -- 23 There is a specific statute, which we have 24 THE COURT: Just a second. 24 filed, and a cause of action under our 25 (Telephone interruption.) 25 complaint, that is under 796.09, Coercion, civil 10 12 1 MR. EDWARDS: -- 'and brainwashed me Into 1 cause of action. 2 believing this lifestyle was healthy and normal 2 Reading 796.09, Paragraph 1: 'A person 3 for a girl my age. I was a victim of various 3 has a cause of action for compensatory and 4 criminal acts and sexual exploitation. I was 4 punitive damages' - this is in the statute - induced and coerced by Defendant Into acts of 5 'against a person who coerced them into 6 prostitution.' 6 prostitution; and it goes on to define what 7 While we're on the coercion and 7 coercion means, and it is exactly what happened 8 prostitution, there is a specific — in this case. 9 THE COURT: Before you move on, that's 9 This statute allows for punitive damages 10 L.M.'s -- 10 on a statutory level irrespective of the ago of 11 MR. EDWARDS: Yes. Your Honor. 11 the person that is coerced into prostitution. 12 THE COURT: — Answer to Internatories? 12 THE COURT: And the coercion that you're 13 Why don't you read into the record M.'s Answer 13 talking about are the alleged acts as between 14 to InterrogalorieS so the record is dear? 14 these two Plaintiffs and Mr. Epstein as opposed 15 MR. EDWARDS: I apologize, Your Honor. 15 lo, I think, there's something in one of the 16 THE COURT: Take your time. 16 Interrogatories that suggests that there may 17 MR. EDWARDS: Answer to Interrogatory No. 17 have been prostitution that followed, at least 18 8 for indicates: 'My injuries are 18 ono of the Plaintiffs, involvement with Mr. 19 emotional and psychological and are the direct 19 Epstein, but you're speaking solely about the 20 result of Defendant Jeffrey Epstein's actions. 20 prostitution issues as it concerns the 21 I was touched, battered, and fondled by the 21 Plaintiffs here and Epstein; is that accurate? 22 Defendant during the Incidents described in the 22 MR. EDWARDS: I believe, if I understand 23 complaints. I observed the Defendant touch and 23 what you are saying, I mean, in terms of 24 fondle himself. I observed the Defendant 24 damages, it one of the Plaintiffs - and I can 25 ejaculate numerous times. I was made to touch 25 represent - if one of the Plaintiffs was led Toll Free: Facsimile: Suite 1300 515 East Las Olas Boulevard ESQUIRE • AI t is4o• Gallo Coop., EFTA01099402 Proceedings July 31, 2009 13 15 1 into a life of prostitution after being 1 intentional misconduct and/or gross negligence. 2 indoctrinated into this deviant lifestyle at an 2 I think the record is very clear at this 3 early age by Mr. Epstein - she was not a 3 point, especially after this proffer, that if 4 prostitute prior to that - and I relate that 4 any case Is deservant of punitive damages being 5 similar to kids of that age being brought over added, it's this one. to somebody's house that Is as powerful and 6 THE COURT: Alright. Thank you. Ill 7 wealthy as him and he has, let's say, cocaine on 7 give you a couple minutes to wrap up after Mr. a the table, and they do that for three years. 8 Critton finishes his argument. They think it's fun at the time, but after that 9 MR. EDWARDS: Thank you. Your Honor. 10 they have this addiction that continues on. 10 THE COURT: Thank you. 11 This is something similar to what happened to 11 MR. CRITTON: May it please the Court. As 12 one of the clients. 12 the Court knows, I represent Mr. Epstein in this 13 But, yes, the coercion into prostitution 13 matter. 14 Is something that on a statutory level already 14 Your Honor, a couple of things to start - 15 allows for punitive damages, and that's 15 the case that Mr. Edwards cites deals with 16 irrespective of the age. 16 inferences, deals with inferences at trial time 17 THE COURT: Again, I'm trying to 17 as distinct from inferences that, I believe, are 18 understand the factual basis. There's 18 sufficient to carry the day, so-to-speak, in the 19 allegations that Mr. Epstein paid these young 19 absence of other evidence with Mr. Epstein's 20 ladies $200 to massage him and then subsequent 20 claim of Rfth Amendment privilege. As well, we 21 thereto, there was some type of alleged sexual 21 cited to the court cases - and I'll get to in 22 activity. Are you speaking to that specifically 22 just a minute - that specifically address that 23 when you're talking about the statutory remedy 23 issue. 24 or are you speaking about something distinct 24 Secondly, we're not hero on - and I think 25 from that? 25 the Court, I think, I kind of at least got the 14 16 1 MR. EDWARDS: No, that's specifically what 1 drift is we're not here on other claims - we're 2 I am talking about -- 2 here on M. and L.M.'s claim today to add 3 THE COURT: Okay. 3 punitive damages and, in fact, 'Do they meet the 4 MR. EDWARDS: — Mr. Epstein paying them 4 standard under the applicable statute in this and using their age, their economic - their lack 5 instance'?" 6 of wealth - the fact that these are poor, 6 What I think is the most striking part 7 disadvantaged children with very little parental 7 about this - and while I believe that the guidance to his advantage to induce them Into 8 evidence may be - their perception, the 9 acts of prostitution. 9 Plaintiffs' perception of the evidence - may be 10 THE COURT: Ill give you two minutes to 10 different than ourselves, but I think the 11 wrap up, please. 11 evidence in this case will show, at least LM. 12 MR. EDWARDS: Okay. 12 and were prostitutes before they ever met 13 Your Honor. while I know that we are 13 Mr. Epstein, they remain prostitutes, and they 14 focusing on and LM., there are certain 14 are still prostitutes today. 15 defenses that have been made such as, "The girls 15 THE COURT: But is my role today one of 16 were'. - "we didn't know that they were over 18, 16 weighing the evidence or one of determining 17 otherwise we wouldn't have done this; where we 17 whether or not there's a sufficient record in 18 are going to be able to show there are hundreds 18 order to allow a punitive damage claim to stand? 19 and hundreds and hundreds of girls and none of 19 I mean, in one of the cases, I believe - 20 them were over the age of 18. 20 it's the case of State of Wisconsin Investment 21 Many of these girls, including my clients, 21 Board vs. Plantation Square Associates, that's 22 told him that they were under the age of 18 and 22 found at 761 F.Supp 1569 - Judge Hugler 23 he continued to do this misconduct, which is 23 (phonetic) of the federal court provided an 24 exactly what the statute or what the punitive 24 excellent discussion of the distinction between 25 damages statute speaks to when it talks about 25 the proofs necessary to sustain a claim for Toll Free: Facsimile: Suite 1300 ESQUIRE 515 East Las Olas Boulevard EFTA01099403 Proceedings July 31, 2009 17 19 1 punitive damages even at summary judgment, much 1 FBI agent and a U.S. attorney that was there at 2 less a trial, and compared that with the 2 the time - and she talked about going over to 3 relatively lighter burden of simply making a 3 Mr. Epstein's house. She said, 1 had a fake 4 proffer of record evidence to support a claim 4 ID.' She was told to make certain that she was for punitive damages. 5 18. She told Mr. Epstein she was 18, and she 6 MR. CRAYON: Right. 6 said it was her understanding that all of the 7 THE COURT: Aren't we at that stage; that 7 other girls that she brought for this horrific 8 is, the kilter stage right now? 8 experience - she continued to bring other girls 9 MR. CRITTON: Yes, and I very well 9 and go herself on a number of occasions. 10 understand the distinction and, I believe, I 10 She said that she, herself -- On Page 8, 11 understand what the Courts role is in this 11 it asks, "Old she ever call you?' - and I assume 12 particular instance in making that 12 that was someone else - and she goes. "No. I 13 determination. 13 gave Jeffrey my number and, I said, you know, if 14 A couple of the issues though, in 14 you want me to give you a massage again, 15 particular - with a camera here today, for some 15 basically I'm more than anxious to come." 16 unknown reason, showing up at this hearing - is 16 On Page 9, L.M. says, "I willingly took" - 17 there were references to drugs, alcohol, other 17 "so I willingly, the first time, took off my top 18 instances that are not applicable to this case. 18 when I gave him the massage and nothing more 19 There's no pleadings on that particular issue, 19 than that." 20 and I'm concerned about that, is that there's an zo She goes on to say in her testimony at 21 attempt to jack this up In the media, as I said, 21 Page 10, her sworn statement, "I said, I told 22 with the camera here today, for no other 22 Jeffrey, 'I heard that you like massages 23 hearing. It's ridiculous under the 23 topless." 24 circumstances, and to make all of these wild 24 "And he said 'Like, yeah.' He said, 'But 25 allegations against Mr. Epstein for which there 25 you don't have to do anything that you don't 18 20 1 Is absolutely no evidentiary proof nor was that 1 feel comfortable with.'" 2 submitted here in support of their proffer, I 2 'And I said, 'Okay,' but I willingly took 3 did want to address at that. 3 it off" - this is L.M. at the time. This is her 4 So let me get to the heart of the issue. 4 sworn testimony. 5 I think the most distinguishing pad of this 5 At Page 17, the police officer or the FBI 6 particular case that's different; that is, L.M. 6 agent says, 'and when he turned over then did he 7 and M., is the fact that L.M. gave a sworn 7 touch you at all or was he just' -- Her answer 8 statement to the FBI in this instance. 8 was, 'No, I did not touch him, he did not touch 9 Again, there's a strong distinction. She 9 me. He didn't even want...' and I assume to 10 gave a sworn statement back in '05 or in '06. 10 'touch you.' 11 She had - L.M. did - she had an attorney, Mr. 11 She goes on to say, "He didn't want me to 12 Eisenberg, it was before she had a civil lawyer 12 touch him and he didn't touch me.' 13 who's seeking millions of dollars under these 13 She goes on and on in this statement, 14 circumstances, and the testimony of L.M. at that 14 L.M., in the statement and she says, 'We had 15 time was very significant and it flies directly 15 fun.' 16 in the face of her 'sworn testimony or her 16 'It was positive," on Page 18. 17 "sworn interrogatories.' 17 On Page 19, "You know, I would wear 18 The Court had Mr. Edwards read in L.M.'s 18 panties. Willingly one time, because we were 19 answer and M.'s answer to their 19 making jokes and everything, and willingly one 20 Interrogatories as to what allegedly occurred 20 time, I had, yes, I was totally nude, but I was 21 with Mr. Epstein and, "Oh, surprise; they were 21 fine with that.' 22 almost verbatim, word for word, as to what 22 She talks about within the statement the 23 allegedly happened. 23 other girls that she brought over. Again, she's 24 But at the time of her sworn statement to 24 testified or she gives the Interrogatory answer 25 the FBI, L.M. said on 424/07 - again, it was an 25 that this was outrageous to her, but, yet she Toll Free: Facsimile: Suite 1300 ESQUIRE 515 East Las Olas Boulevard Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 EFTA01099404 Proceedings July 31 , 2009 21 23 1 brought other girls to experience this. She 1 LM. and-. in their Answers to 2 says - now that she has a civil lawyer seeking 2 Interrogatories have made all sorts of, what we 3 money damages - now it's a bad experience.' 3 believe in part, are baseless or in large part 4 Now all of a sudden, 'He touched me, he did 4 baseless allegations, but we also have sworn these things to me." 5 testimony of L.M. on this instance. 6 She references - at least, on Page 29 of 6 We don't have it of.., but we have LM. 7 the statement, Judge - there's a 'W" that's 7 testifying about her own experience under oath: 8 referenced. "W" I would represent to be.. in 8 That it was positive; that he never used force, 9 the M. complaint, and I think we established 9 that she willingly did a number of limes 10 that when Mr. Berger and I were atng a prior 10 including giving topless massages; that Mr. 11 motion to you. So she talks about. on Page 11 Epstein never touched her, that she never 12 29. 12 touched him inappropriately, all she did was 13 That's when she starts saying, she says, 13 basically give him massages; that-., in this 14 'EW - "she,' meaning -.,'was my baby's 14 instance, as well as all the other girls that 15 father's girlfriend at the time." 15 she took, she spoke with them afterwards, they 16 Then on Page 30, 'How old was 16 begged to go back to Mr. Epstein's home, and 17 "She was 17.' 17 none of them, not one of them ever complained. 18 Alright, so you have 12, 13. 14, 15, 16. 18 So there's a large chasm between what is 19 You have L.M. saying "W" was 17 at the time. 19 now being asserted in Answers to Interrogatories 20 'And what happened when W' came over?' 20 and mere allegations in the complaint between 21 She said the same thing, 'She went a few 21 what the sworn testimony, at least L.M., was 22 times." 22 under the circumstances, as it relates to 23 On Page 31, L.M. testified under oath to 23 herself and what she was told by M. and other 24 the FBI and the United States attorney, 'None of 24 girls. 25 my girls ever had a problem. And they'd call 25 Thank you, Your Honor. 22 24 1 me. They begged me, you know, for us to go to 1 THE COURT: Thank you. 2 Jeffrey's house because they loved Jeffrey. 2 Mr. Edwards, Ill give you a couple 3