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Page 166 Page 168 1 written down anywhere? 1 for now we'll call it a massage -- as well as 2 A. No. 2 anybody who brought that person over to the house, 3 Q. It's my understanding that 3 they would both get paid cash. Are you familiar 4 either came to his house alone to visit with Mr. 4 with that? 5 Epstein or brought other girls in their age group 5 MR. CRITTON: Form. 6 to Mr. Epstein. 6 THE WITNESS: No. 7 Were you familiar with that type of 7 BY MR. EDWARDS: 8 recruitment process of girls bringing other girls? 8 Q. If l i. brought another girl over to the 9 MR. CRITTON: Form. 9 house and stayed downstairs but this other girl 10 THE WITNESS: Yes. 10 went upstairs with Mr. Epstein, which one would 11 BY MR. EDWARDS: 11 you pay? 12 Q. Can you tell me more about what you know 12 A. I don't know because I was told who to 13 about girls bringing other girls that are 13 pay. 14 relatively the same age to come to Jeffrey 14 Q. And always told you? 15 Epstein's house and to use your words, have a good 15 A. told me pay so and so. 16 time? 16 Q. So If we were going to ask anybody else 17 MR. CRITTON: Form. 17 about the exact method in terms of who would get 18 THE WITNESS: It's hard to know who they 18 paid and for what, who would the people be? I 19 knew. But I think that was -- they feel 19 mean, other than Mr. Epstein who else could we ask 20 better themselves when they're in a group 20 these ions? 21 than going by themselves, but I don't know 21 A. 22 somebody recruiting. 22 Q. 23 BY MR. EDWARDS: 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Okay. And you've talked about, at least 24 Q. She would know this? 25 referred to yourself I believe to the police and 25 A. Yes. Page 167 Page 169 1 as well today as a human ATM machine. Right? 1 Q. What about Ghislaine Maxwell? 2 MR. CRITTON: Form. 2 MR. CRITTON: Form. 3 THE WITNESS: Something like that. I was 3 THE WITNESS: You're talking about the 4 supposed to carry cash at all times. 4 boss. I don't know. 5 BY MR. EDWARDS: 5 BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 Q. One of the primary reasons why you 6 Q. To your knowledge was Ghislaine Maxwell 7 carried eclibmito pay the girls in this age 7 these girls that are in the age group of 8 group of for whatever happened at the 8 coming to Jeffrey Epstein's house to 9 house. Right? 9 have a good time? 10 MR. CRITTON: Form. 10 MR. CRITTON: Form. 11 THE WITNESS: Yes. 11 THE WITNESS: I have to say something. 12 BY MR. EDWARDS: 12 Mrs. Maxwell called me and told me not to 13 Q. That's a fair statement. Right? 13 ever discuss or contact her again in a 14 MR. CRITTON: Form. 14 threaten way. 15 THE WITNESS: Yes. 15 BY MR. EDWARDS: 16 BY MR. EDWARDS: 16 Q. When was this? 17 Q. Okay. And when I, let's use her for 17 A. Right after I left because I call one of 18 example, would bring somebody else to the house, 18 the friends for a Job and she told me this, but, 19 did you pay'. as well as whomever she brought to 19 you know, I feel intimidated and so I want to keep 20 the house, pay them both? 20 her out. 21 A. No, I pay only one person. 21 Q. What exactly did she say? First of all, 22 Q. Okay. My understanding, and tell me if 22 was this a telephone call? 23 this is wrong or you can corroborate this, is that 23 A. Yes, she was in New York. 24 Mr. Epstein would pay the girl that was actually 24 Q. She called you on your cell phone? 25 performing whatever was happening in the room -- 25 A. Yes. 43 (Pages 166 to 169) Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 EFTA00730598  Page 170 Page 172 1 Q. Is this the cell phone that was issued to 1 precisely did she say? 2 you by Mr. Epstein? 2 A. She said I forbid you that you're going 3 A. No, it was my personal phone. I was 3 to be — that i will be sorry if I contact any of 4 already -- 4 her friends again. 5 Q. Gone? 5 Q. Okay. Other than you will be sony if 6 A. Yeah, this is three, four months down the 6 you contact any of my friends again did she say 7 road. 7 anything else about what you know about Mr. 8 Q. So if you left in -- 8 Epstein and/or what goes on at his house? 9 A. February, March — it was May or June. 9 A. She said something like don't open your 10 Q. Of 2005? 10 mouth or something like that. But you have to 11 A. Yes. 11 d, I'm a civil humble, I came as an 12 Q. And you got a call from Ghislaine Maxwell 12 to seryjo people, and right now you 13 out of the blue? 13 feel a little -- I'm and I'm afraid. First of 14 A. Yes. 14 all, I don't have a job, but I'm glad this is on 15 Q. And do you know what prompted that 15 tape because I don't want nothing to happen to me. 16 telephone call? 16 This Is the way they treat you, better do this and 17 A. Because I contact somebody In New York to 17 you shut up and don't talk to nobody and -- 18 get a job. 18 Q. When you say this is the way they treat, 19 Q. Who was that person? 19 who specifically are you talking about when you 20 A. I contact Jean-Luc and I contact the 20 say the word they? 21 Swedish girl, she used to be very good friends 21 A. Maxwell. 22 with Mr. E. • • gs.in se she asked me she need 22 Q. And usually when you say the word they, 23 somebody in 23 you're not only talking about one person -- 24 Q. at does do? 24 A. Wealthy people. 25 A. was a model many years ago and he 25 Q. Are you also putting Jeffrey Epstein in Page 171 Page 173 1 married -- S is the mother of the girl who was 1 that category? 2 2 MR. CR1TTON: Form. 3 Q. Who is Mr. Epstein's 3 THE WITNESS: I didn't talk to him 4 house? 4 directly most of the time. 5 A. Yeah. 5 BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 Q.i iere is a younger girl model 6 Q. What's the reason why if you were his 7 that' Mr. Epstein's house and this 7 head of security that you wouldn't have more 8 lady is her mo r? 8 direct contact with him? Why is that? 9 A. Yes. 9 MR. CRITTON: Form. 10 Q. And at some point in time you called her 10 THE WITNESS: He wanted thaS w you 11 in New York to get a job? 11 lavai so, yeah, I have to talk to 12 A. That's right. 12 Is not available talk to in New 13 Q. And you also called Jean-Luc Bemell? 13 York. He didn't want to be disturbed. 14 That's his name. Right? 14 BY MR. EDWARDS: 15 A. Jean-Luc, yeah, I don't remember his last 15 Q. Even while you were in the same house 16 name. 16 with him he still had other people you could talk 17 Q. Does that sound familiar to you, Jean-Luc 17 to directly but he was not one of them? 18 Bernell? 18 A. Yeah. 19 A. Yeah. 19 Q. When you were fired you were not fired 20 Q. What did SI and/or Jean-Luc say about 20 directly by him? 21 employing you? 21 A. No. 22 A. No, they said they're going to find out 22 Q. It was through somebody else? 23 and obviously the first thing they did was talk to 23 A. Ms. Maxwell. 24 Mrs. Maxwell. 24 Q. Okay. But it was for upsetting him for 25 Q. She made a telephone call to you and what 25 taking the wrong car? 44 (Pages 170 to 173) Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 EFTA00730599  Page 174 Page 176 1 A. Yes. 1 this. Because I went through -- the first 2 Q. Okay. Ever since this communication that 2 time I went to the deposition I was in Palm 3 Ms. Maxwell made to you where she called you 3 Beach and I did my duty, I mean, I tell what 4 sometime in May or June of 2005, and have you felt 4 I know, but now I know there is more 5 threatened? 5 digging, all I want is this to be to get on 6 A. Yes. 6 with my normal life and stuff. 7 MR. CRITTON: Form. 7 BY MR. EDWARDS: 8 BY MR. EDWARDS: 8 Q. So when you come here today to testify, 9 Q. Have you felt reluctant to come forward 9 your main objective is to get back to your normal 10 and give truthful, honest, and full disclosure of 10 life and get out of the spotlight of this case. 11 all information that you know about this case? 11 Yes? 12 MR. CRITTON: Form. 12 A. Yes. 13 THE WITNESS: I said this off the record 13 Q. And in doing so have you held back some 14 but I will say it on the record, being in 14 of the details that you know about that happened 15 the Epstein case for me resulted in two 15 in this case to remove yourself from the 16 years I have -- I won't bring the names but 16 spotlight? 17 I was in the third Interview to get hired as 17 MR. CRITTON: Form. 18 a household manager in Palm Beach and they 18 THE WITNESS: No, sir. 19 told me you are the Jeffrey Epstein guy. 19 BY MR. EDWARDS: 20 Not in the sense I did something wrong 20 Q. Okay. Have you ever talked to Ghislaine 21 because of the scandal, so they shun the job 21 Maxwell after that telephone call where she called 22 away from me. And so I was afraid that -- 22 you and you felt threatened? 23 this is very powerful people and one phone 23 A. No. 24 call and you finish, so I'm the little guy. 24 Q. Okay. So going back to where we started 25 Even I'm wearing a tie I'm a -- I'm talking 25 here was, does Ghislaine Maxwell have knowledge of Page 175 Page 177 1 from my heart. This is the way it is. 1 the girls that would come over to Jeffrey 2 BY MR. EDWARDS: 2 Epstein's hayisaat are in roughly the same age 3 Q. I feel for you, I'm sorry that you have 3 group as and to have a good time as you 4 to be in this position. 4 put it? 5 MR. CRITTON: Move to strike this. 5 MR. CRITTON: Form. 6 BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 THE WITNESS: Yes. 7 Q. Well, when you applied for these jobs and 7 BY MR. EDWARDS: 8 they turned you down and gave you the reason that 8 Q. And what was her involvement and/or 9 you're the person involved in the Jeffrey Epstein 9 knowledge about that? 10 scandal, was it that they are associated or 10 MR. CRITTON: Form. 11 friends with Jeffrey Epstein or is it that you 11 THE WITNESS: She knew what was going on. 12 have Information and you have this confidentiality 12 BY MR. EDWARDS: 13 but you're revealing some certain information that 13 Q. You referred to her at one point in time 14 Mr. Epstein would not like? 14 as Jeffrey Epstein's companion. But then later on 15 MR. CRITTON: Form. 15 you said that if she flew she flew on a different 16 THE WITNESS: Both. 16 airplane and oftentimes or sometimes she slept in 17 BY MR. EDWARDS: 17 a different bed from Mr. Epstein. Did that seem 18 Q. Both? 18 unusual to you? 19 A. Both. 19 MR. CRITTON: Form. 20 Q. And since then given what you just told 20 THE WITNESS: It was odd but, I mean, and 21 us about these people being very powerful, are you 21 again, everything is odd in Palm Beach. 22 afraid for your life given the fact that you're 22 BY MR. EDWARDS: 23 involved to some extent in this case? 23 Q. Okay, I don't mean to laugh. 24 MR. CRITTON: Form. 24 A. Mr. Epstein fly to Jet Aviation, she fly 25 THE WTMESS: I just start thinking about 25 to Galaxy Aviation, but they never flew the same 45 (Pages 174 to 177 Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 EFTA00730600  Page 178 Page 180 1 plane, I don't know why. 1 BY MR. EDWARDS: 2 Q. And did you ever find out why? 2 Q. Who he o? 3 A. No. 3 A. I heard lir going to be coming to give 4 Q. You never really inquired why? 4 a massage. 5 A. No. 5 Q. Okay. When the girls would come in to 6 Q. That wasn't your job? 6 Mr. Epstein's house, would you be the first one to 7 A. (Shakes head.) 7 meet them and greet them or would that be 8 Q. You were just there to do your job? 8 A. Me. 9 A. Exactly. 9 Q. And if came would she normally come 10 Q. Obviously at some point in time you see 10 alone or with somebody else? 11 these girls coming over to Mr. Epstein's house to 11 A. Sometimes she had a companion sometimes 12 have a good time and over time you start wondering 12 she was by htEsdf. 13 what is going on with Mr. Epstein and these girls. 13 Q. Given l.'s age you never truly believed 14 Right? 14 she was there as a masseuse; did you? 15 MR. CRITTON: Form. 15 MR. CRITTON: Form. 16 THE WITNESS: Yes. 16 THE WITNESS: From the father point of 17 BY MR. EDWARDS: 17 view, no. 18 Q. And you understand that Mr. Epstein is a 18 BY MR. EDWARDS: 19 wealthy person that could have the best masseuse 19 Q. And that in conjunction with the fact 20 in the world come to his house. Yes? 20 that when she called she gives you messages such 21 MR. CRITTON: Form. 21 as I have girls to bring for Mr. Epstein lead you 22 THE WITNESS: Yes. 22 to believe that there was something more going on 23 BY MR. EDWARDS: 23 then massages at Mr. Epstein's house with these 24 Q. These were not professional masseuses 24 girls? 25 that were coming to his house to give massages. 25 MR. CRITTON: Form. Page 179 Page 181 1 Right? 1 THE WITNESS: When I was working I didn't 2 MR. CRITTON: Form. 2 have the time to realize that, but now 3 11-IE WITNESS: Yes. 3 you're out and you start -- yes, it is more 4 BY MR. EDWARDS: 4 than that. 5 Q. They were not? 5 BY MR. EDWARDS 6 • MR. CRITTON: Form. 6 Q. And when g would come over and she would 7 THE WITNESS: They were not the best but 7 bring a companion, who would lead them to the area 8 they say they were masseuses. 8 -- I guess it's the upstairs bedrograzho would 9 BY MR. EDWARDS: 9 lead them up there, would it be or would it 10 Q. They said said that? 10 be yourself? 11 Who is they? an Jeffrey 11 MR. CRITTON: Form. 12 Epstein or is it . that would come and 12 THE WITNESS: 13 announce themselves as masseuses? 13 BY MR. EDWARDS: 14 MR. CRITTON: Form. 14 Q. Lees say two of them come over, I know 15 THE WITNESS: We wanted to put the title 15 that there is numerous times that she is coming 16 masseuse. 16 three or four times a week for the six month 17 BY MR. EDWARDS: 17 period that you're there, but if it is,. and 18 Q. Who is we? 18 another companion, and that other companion would 19 A. We the staff and 19 usually be roughly her age. Right? 20 taught you that these girls that are 20 MR. CRITTON: Form. 21 in age group should be referred to as 21 THE WITNESS: It was something like that. 22 masseuses? Who taught you that title? 22 BY MR. EDWARDS: 23 MR. CRITTON: Form. 23 Q. I mean, there were not people bringing 24 THE WITNESS: I just heard them, you 24 over massage tables to ive him a massage, these 25 know. 25 were girls who were . age, approximately, MOO eS.••••••... Cs 46 (Pages 178 to 181) Kress Court Reporting, Inc 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami .,Be f L 3141 EFTA00730601  Page 218 Page 220 1 go but we can take a break. 1 there was more going on than just massages with 2 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We're off the record. 2 anybody else that worked at the house? 3 (Thereupon, a recess was had.) 3 A. No. 4 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the 4 Q. Did you talk about that with anybody 5 record, tape number five. 5 else? 6 BY MR. EDWARDS: 6 A. No, nothing. This Is the first time that 7 Q. I stopped with knew the girls -- sorry. 7 I said this openly because I was subpoenaed and 8 1 stopped with the sentence in the police 8 there were these things, you know. 9 e 71 he delivered a dozen roses to 9 Q. Right. And right now is the second time 10 High School. 10 you said it openly because you're subpoenaed 11 And that's something you told us about 11 again? 12 earlier. Right? 12 A. Yes. 13 A. Yes. 13 MR. CRITTON: Form. 14 Q. Then it says, he knew the girls were 14 BY MR. EDWARDS: 15 still in high school and were of high school age. 15 Q. Otherwise you have not expressed those 16 Speaking of the girls who were coming 16 feelings to anybody else? 17 over labelled as masseuses, is that something -- 17 A. No. 18 (Thereupon, an interruption was had.) 18 Q. What about when you spoke with Mr. 19 BY MR. EDWARDS: 19 Epstein's attorneys or Investigators, did you talk 20 Q. The statement is, he knew the girls were 20 to them about that? 21 still in high school and were of high school age. 21 A. No. 22 That's something you agree with? 22 Q. And why did you choose not to tell them 23 MR. CRITTON: Form, out of context. 23 that you felt there were more -- that there was 24 THE WITNESS: I saw them in high school. 24 more going on in the bedroom with these young 25 BY MR. EDWARDS: 25 girls than just massages? Page 219 Page 221 1 Q. The girls t ere talking about, and 1 MR. CRITTON: Form. 2 I'm talking about specifically, but 2 THE WITNESS: The only reason I contacted 3 these are girls that looked of high school age to 3 the attorneys was to see what's my position 4 you. 4 because I didn't have money to go to an 5 MR. CRTITON: Form. 5 attorney myself. 6 THE WITNESS: It's hard to say. 6 BY MR. EDWARDS: 7 BY MR. EDWARDS: 7 Q. Why would you feel like you may need an 8 Q. That wouldn't shock you though? 8 attorney though if you didn't do anything wrong? 9 MR. CRITTON: Form. 9 A. I didn't need an attorney. 10 THE WITNESS: No. 10 Q. You were just frightened by the process? 11 BY MR. EDWARDS: 11 A. The process and the people who was 12 Q. Doesn't surprise you? 12 involved in this. 13 A. No. 13 Q. The people involved meaning Ghislaine 14 MR. CRITTON: Form. 14 Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein? 15 BY MR. EDWARDS: 15 MR. CRITTON: Form. 16 Q. I asked Rodriguez about the massages, he 16 BY MR. EDWARDS: 17 felt there was a lot more going on than just 17 Q. I'll ask you, which people are you 18 massages. 18 talking about? 19 Is that something you told him? 19 A. Ghislaine Maxwell. 20 MR. CRITTON: Form. 20 Q. And were you still frightened because of 21 THE WITNESS: Yes. 21 the threat that she -- 22 BY MR. EDWARDS: 22 A. I don't think so now, you know, I'm 23 Q. Do you know if it was a feeling that -- 23 protected because I'm doing this publicly. 24 well, let me ask you this way. 24 Q. Okay. Well, going back to my other 25 Did you ever talk about that feeling that 25 question about why didn't you reveal to Mr. 56 (Pages 218 to 221 Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 EFTA00730602  Page 222 Page 224 1 Epstein's Investigators that you felt there was 1 massage with a handle with two rubber things 2 more going on in the bedroom than just massages? 2 that you can do massage yourself, this was 3 MR. CRITTON: Form. 3 always on the floor, maybe one or two. 4 THE WITNESS: Because they were more 4 BY MR. EDWARDS: 5 interested in how much I know, they didn't 5 Q. Okay. When you say this is always on the 6 ask me anything else, and I told them 6 floor, do you mean 24 hours a day it's on the 7 exactly what I knew and what I was doing. 7 floor? 8 BY MR. EDWARDS: 8 A. No, no, no, after each massage. Because 9 Q. Okay. You were asked by Mr. Mermelstein 9 I assume the masseuses or anybody they were doing, 10 when he was asking you about the meeting with Mr. 10 they were taken out of the closet where.. 11 Epstein's investigators he said, did they make any 11 belong and they would leave there. So and 12 threat or did they threaten you, and you paused 12 myself, we always find this on the floor. 13 and said I don't believe so. 13 Q. And this Is a massager that belongs to or 14 A. Yeah, I think they didn't tell me 14 is owned by Mr. Epstein? 15 anything that I will feel -- they told me that 15 A. Yes. 16 they want to know what I know and if I need an 16 Q. This Isn't something that these girls 17 attorney. 17 would bring over to the house? 18 Q. Okay. Did you find that strange at all 18 A. No, no, it's In the house, It's part of 19 that they offered you an attorney? 19 the Inventory. 20 A. I went to have dinner at my house and I 20 Q. And that statement is a few statements 21 told this to my wife and she told me, Alfredo, you 21 after you felt that there was a lot more going on 22 don't need an attorney, so I called him the next 22 than just massages, Is there something about that 23 day and that was it. 23 object being left on the ground and the type of 24 Q. You called the investigators? 24 object that it was that also lead you to believe 25 A. Yes. I declined, I don't need an 25 that there is something more going on here than Page 223 Page 225 1 attorney. 1 just massages? 2 Q. If we want to know the exact names of the 2 MR. CRTITON: Form. 3 investigators that you met at Don Shula's and at 3 THE WITNESS: Yes. 4 your house, how would we get that information, do 4 BY MR. EDWARDS: 5 you have it somewhere? 5 Q. What about it, just tell us? 6 A. Probably I have it in the house. 6 MR. CRITTON: Form. 7 Q. So if we do have to come back here and 7 THE WITNESS: I thought they were having 8 finish this up, the next time would you be able to 8 a good time, I never thought it was 9 bring that? 9 something done against anybody's will, but 10 A. I think so. 10 of course, you know that it's more than 11 Q. Okay. Do you know where in your house 11 massage. 12 that you have it, I mean, have you kept it in a 12 BY MR. EDWARDS: 13 certain place? 13 Q. Right, I'm just asking you to explain how 14 A. I have to look. 14 you know that. 15 Q. All right. After the sentence that we 15 MR. CRITTON: Let me just move to strike 16 left off it says, he, speaking of Mr. Rodriguez, 16 his last answer as speculation. Form as to 17 would dean Mr. Epstein's bedroom after the 17 your statement. 18 alleged massages and would discover massagers 18 THE WITNESS: You're years old and 19 slash vibrators and sex toys scattered on the 19 it's -- you're an old -- you know, it's just 20 floor. 20 instinct. 21 Can you tell us what types of sex toys 21 MR. CRITTON: Move to strike. 22 that you found scattered on the floor after the 22 BY MR. EDWARDS: 23 massages with these young girls? 23 Q. It was obvious to you? 24 MR. CRITTON: Form. 24 A. Yes. 25 THE WITNESS: Like I explain, there was a 25 MR. CRITTON: Form. 57 (Pages 222 to 225 Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 EFTA00730603  Page 226 Page 228 1 BY MR. EDWARDS: 1 underwear she brought it to the laundry and we 2 Q. He also said he would wipe down the 2 used to label it. 3 vibrators and sex toys and put them away in the 3 Q. Just so that the record is dear as to 4 armoire. 4 what we're talking about with this and that, I 5 MR. CRITTON: Form. 5 want you to tell us what would tell you 6 THE WITNESS: These things have a tip, 6 specifically, I found this an en would she show 7 they have the cream, they have all kinds of 7 you what it was? 8 cream for giving massage. 8 A. No, she didn't show me, she said I 9 BY MR. EDWARDS: 9 cleaned this and I put it away, it was a vibrator. 10 Q. How many of these massagers or vibrators 10 Q. Did she describe the vibrator for you so 11 would you wipe down? 11 that you knew which one she was talking about? 12 MR. CRITTON: Form. 12 A. The vibrator that a female would use for 13 THE WITNESS: This big one all the time. 13 personal use. 14 BY MR. EDWARDS: 14 Q. Not the same long one that you've been 15 Q. Right. Other than the big one all the 15 describing? 16 time did you wipe down at any time any of the 16 A. No. 17 other sex toys or vibrators? 17 Q. One that is a penis shaped vibrator. 18 A. No. 18 MR. CRITTON: Form. 19 MR. CRITTON: Form. 19 THE WITNESS: Yes. 20 BY MR. EDWARDS: 20 BY MR. EDWARDS: 21 Q. So if there were any other sex toys or 21 Q. That's what she was talking about? 22 vibrators or I believe you used the term dildo 22 A. Yes. 23 earlier that were ever used, those are items that 23 Q. And did she tell you on how many 24 you did not find on the floor and were put away in 24 occasions after these -- 25 the armoire? 25 A. Several times. Page 227 Page 779 I 1 MR. CRITTON: Form. 1 Q. And can you explain to us why it is that 2 THE WITNESS: told me I did this, 2 -- and maybe it's just I don't understand the 3 I did that. 3 process of cleaning the room who went in first and 4 BY MR. EDWARDS: 4 second and whatever, but my question is why is it 5 Q. So tell us what did tell you? 5 that she would always be the one to encounter the 6 A. She find toys on theic,s, she have to 6 penis shaped vibrators and you would encounter 7 clean them. 7 this other longer vibrator? 8 Q. Did she tell you when she found the toys 8 MR. CRITTON: Form. 9 on the floor? 9 THE WITNESS: Because it was her job to 10 A. After his massages, you know. 10 clean the room. When she was busy she will 11 Q. With the young girls that we're talking 11 ask me, Alfredo, can you help me carry, I 12 about? 12 have a lot of towels, because there were 13 A. Yes. 13 mountains because being an older woman I 14 Q. Okay. And when did tell you 14 help her carry to the -- and put the towels 15 that? 15 downstairs, take It to the laundry. But she 16 A. Almost every other time when she found 16 told me I found these things, I clean it, I 17 it, you know, Alfredo I found this thing again 17 put it in that armoire, they're over there. 18 because she despised to dean this, she had to put 18 So she will give me -- we used to 19 the gloves or whatever. 19 communicate all those little details, but it 20 Q. Okay. So it sounds like you had an 20 was her job to be in the room first. 21 actual conversation about this where she's 21 BY MR. EDWARDS: 22 describing she doesn't want to dean it. 22 Q. And what did she say about liking or 23 A. Because I told her to tell me up to date 23 disliking the fact that she had to clean these 24 on things that are not normal, so she told me, you 24 vibrators? 25 know, I found this, I found that, or some 25 A. She didn't like to clean those. 58 (Pages 226 to 229) Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami IMP/. EFTA00730604  Page 230 Page 232 1 Q. Did she tell you why? 1 a lack of respect. So, you know, she was 2 A. Because, you know, she knew what they 2 shocked. So obviously she needed a job but 3 were for and probably she despised to dean 3 she expressed her -- 4 objects. 4 MR. WILLITS: I'm sorry, I did not hear 5 6 7 Q. Did she ever make any comments about how young the girls were that were in the room with Mr. Epstein just before she had to go in and clean 5 6 7 ai that, could the witness repeat that? WITNESS: I was just talking about deeply religious staff member that 8 these vibrators? 8 worked with me and she told me one occasion 9 MR. CRITTON: Form. 9 that she was crying because the picture of 10 THE WITNESS: No. 10 the Pope was next to a naked girl. 11 BY MR. EDWARDS: 11 MR. WILLITS: Okay. 12 Q. Is the age of the girls that were coming 12 BY MR. EDWARDS: 13 over and going behind dosed doors with Mr. 13 Q. Okay. Besides did you ever have 14 Epstein a subject that ever came up between you 14 a conversation with anybody else that works in the 15 and 15 house about the young age of the girls and Mr. 16 A. Sometimes. 16 Epstein being In the bedroom and the fact that 17 Q. And what would the conversation consist 17 there are sex toys on the floor afterwards being 18 of? 18 wrong? 19 A. She will be surprised and say some of the 19 MR. CRITTON: form. 20 girls are too young, and I said -- we just wonder, 20 THE WITNESS: Nobody else inside the 21 you know, but we comment each other. 21 house was allowed except just the two of us, 22 Q. Did it ever -- as a father did it ever 22 so I never commented on this with anybody. 23 occur to you that maybe I should say something or 23 BY MR. EDWARDS: 24 I shouldn't be here or I shouldn't be apart of 24 Q. All right. The next sentence starts a 25 this considering how young they are and how old he 25 new paragraph, Epstein ordered Rodriguez to go to Page 231 Page 733 1 is? 1 the Dollar Rent a Car and rent a car for the same 2 MR. CRITTON: Form. 2 girl he brought the roses to. 3 THE WITNESS: Yes. 3 I guess we're talking about A. 4 BY MR. EDWARDS: 4 So that she could drive herself to 5 Q. Is that something that on more than one 5 Epstein's house without incident. Rodriguez said 6 occasion you thought to yourself this is just 6 the girl always needed rides to and from the 7 wrong? 7 house. 8 MR. CRITTON: Form. 8 Are those statements you agree with? 9 THE WITNESS: Yes. 9 MR. CRITTON: Form. 10 BY MR. EDWARDS: 10 THE WITNESS: I took her a few times to And did you ever have a conversation with 11 her house. 11 12 13 li A. We about the fact that that's not right? 12 13 BY MR. EDWAR Q. You to and from her house? 14 Q. And.. stayed there and she's still 14 A. In 15 employed there? 15 Q. Okay. Did she say anything in the car to 16 A. I believe she was. 16 you about what was going on in the bedroom with 17 Q. And did she ever mention to you that she 17 Mr. Epstein? 18 thought that the situation was wrong and that she 18 A. I always try to keep the conversation to 19 was contemplating -- 19 a minimum when I was with them because it was my 20 A. She was a deeply religious -- 20 job, you know, I didn't want to talk so the 21 MR. CRITTON: Fo estion. 21 conversation was minimal. 22 THE WITNESS: -- girl 22 Q. And these are girls that you're talking 23 -- lady, and one day she came crying because 23 to that are roughly the same age as a daughter 24 she found a picture of the Pope next to 24 that you have? 25 naked girl, both pictures, and she said it's 25 A. Yeah. 59 (Pages 230 to 233 Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 EFTA00730605  Page 234 Page 236 1 MR. CRITTON: Form. 1 Epstein. 2 BY MR. EDWARDS: 2 BY MR. EDWARDS: 3 Q. And so you never inquired of them as to 3 Q. Okay. But this is talking about a 4 what was going on behind closed doors? 4 situation where girls come to the house, and these 5 A. Never. 5 young girls come to the house and Mr. Epstein is 6 Q. Other than. did you take any of the 6 not at the house at all. That happened? 7 other girls to or from -- and the girls I'm 7 MR. CRITTON: Form. 8 talking about are these yisis that are 8 THE WITNESS: Well, they left and -- 9 roughly the same age as . that you 9 BY MR. EDWARDS: 10 labelled masseuses. 10 Q. Wait. Who are you talkinilt? 11 Did you take any of them to or from their 11 A. Mr. Epstein, the girls, and they 12 homes on any occasion? 12 go away. 13 MR. CRITTON: Form. 13 Q. You're talking about a different set of 14 THE WITNESS: Probably a couple of times. 14 girls now, now you're talking about the girls that 15 BY MR. EDWARDS: 15 fly with him on the airplane. 16 Q. Do you remember if you ever took or, 16 A. Exactly. But they're out of the house. 17 to or from their homes? 17 But will call me and leave me instructions 18 ewhere 18 on my phone that I have to pay so and so and they 19 in Illififf o l r probably, 19 will be there this evening or this afternoon, 20 yes. 20 that's why them was nobody in the house but I 21 Q. All right. And the homes you would take 21 still have to pay them. 22 these girls to, can you describe the neighborhood? 22 Q. Okay. Would these girls usually arrive 23 A. They were blue collar neighborhoods. 23 by taxicab and you would have to pay them? 24 Q. Much different than Mr. Epstein? 24 MR. CRITTON: Form. 25 MR. CRITTON: Form. 25 THE WITNESS: Sometimes taxi and Page 235 Page 237 1 THE WITNESS: Very different. 1 sometimes their own cars. 2 MR. CRITTON: Argumentative. 2 BY MR. EDWARDS: 3 BY MR. EDWARDS: 3 Q. And you mentioned that you would 4 Q. Did any of the girls ever talk to you in