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1 Q. Because Mr. Epstein never came to your
2 dad's house, correct?
3 A. Correct.
4 Q. And no one who worked for Mr. Epstein ever
5 did something to your dad's tires, did they?
6 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Lack of
7 foundation, predicate.
8 Don't guess.
9 BY MR. TEIN:
10 Q. It's not true that Mr. Epstein almost
11 killed your father, is it?
12 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and
13 answered, lack of foundation, predicate.
14 BY MR. TEIN:
15 Q. You can answer.
16 A. No.
17 Q. Now you told the police that you didn't
18 know who was in the car with you and IIIIIII on the day
19 you went to Epstein's house, didn't you?
20 A. Yes.
21 Q. And that was a lie, wasn't it?
22 A. It's the truth.
23 Q. You told the police that there was someone
24 in the car next to you and you specifically said you
25 didn't know her name, right?
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1 A. Correct. I do not know her name.
2 Q. You said, "I don't know her name, but she
3 was dark like a Spanish girl." Those were your words,
4 right?
5 A. Yes.
6 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and
7 answered.
8 BY MR. TEIN:
9 Q. Who was in the car that day with you and
10 fl
11 A. Again, I do not know.
12 Q. It was your good friend
13 wasr't it?
14 A. No. I don't know a
15 Q. You lied to the police about who was in the
16 car with you and didn't you? I
e,
17 A. Incorrect.
18 Q. Let me ask you some questions about who you
19 may have spoken to about this case. All right?
20 A. Go ahead.
21 Q. Did you speak to your twin sister .
22 A. Not in detail, but of course she knows;
23 she's family. And yes.
24 Q. What's her e-mail?
25 A. I don't think she has an e-mail.
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1 Q. What is her phone number?
2 A. Oh, gosh. I don't know off the top of my
3 head.
4 Q. And what is her home address?
5 A. She lives with my mom.
6 Q. In Georgia?
7 A. Yes, sir.
8 Q. What about '11111iboyfriend..? Did you
9 speak to him about Epstein's case?
10 A. That's my mom's boyfriend. My sister
11 doesn't have a boyfriend. My mom's husband's name is
12 so maybe you get them confused.
13 Q. Do you know his phone number?
14 A. No.
15 Q. where does he live?
16 A. With my mom.
17 Q. In the same house with her?
18 A. Yes. They're married.
19 Q. So not boyfriend; husband?
20 A. Yeah, husband.
21 Q. Have you spoken to about
22 what happened in Mr. Epstein's house?
23 A. Not in detail, but he knows the basics,
24 yes.
25 Q. What is his e-mail?
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1 A. I don't know.
2 Q. What is his phone number?
3 A. How is that relevant?
4 Q. What is his phone number?
5 A. 561.719.2652.
6 Q. What is his home address?
7 A. I don't know.
8 Q. Where does he live?
9 A. In Palm Beach Lakes somewhere.
10 Q. Ever been to his house?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. You don't know what his address is?
13 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and
14 answered. She just said she doesn't know.
15 MR. TEIN: Don't coach.
16 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and
17 answered.
18 BY MR. TEIN:
19 Q. You can answer the question.
20 A. I don't know the exact address.
21 Q. What street is it on?
22 A. It's an apartment complex; its not a
23 street.
24 Q. What's the name of the apartment complex?
25 A. Something Cove.
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1 Q. What apartment number is it?
2 A. I couldn't tell you.
3 Q. When was the last time you went there?
4 A. Just visited this past weekend. That's the
5 first and last time I went there.
6 Q. How about Have you spoken
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7 to him about your case?
8 A. No. We no longer speak.
9 Q. What's his phone number? Actually, we
10 already have his phone number and e-mail.
11 How about IIIIIIIIIP Have you ever
12 spoken to her about your case?
13 A. I don't know an
14 Q. Have you ever met
15 A. No. But just to let you know, I don't
16 reaLly know names. If you have pictures of there faces I
17 couLd tell you.
18 Q. All right. Let me see if I can refresh
19 your memory.
20 A. Okay.
21 Q. Does it refresh your memory that
Mir
is the other girl who made allegati ons about Epstein, but
22
23 refused to show to the Grand Jury when she had to testify
24 about them under oath?
25 A. No, sir. I have no knowledge of any other
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1 girls in this whole situation. We're not allowed to know
2 each other.
3 Q. I didn't get the last four words.
4 A. We're not allowed to know each other.
5 Q. And what about Have you
6 of met her?
7 A. No, sir.
8 Q. Let's see if I can refresh your memory on
9 her. She's the other person represented by your lawyer
10 Mr. Herman, who is suing Epstein for fifty million
11 dollars.
12 A. I have no knowledge of her.
13 Q• Never met her?
14 A. Never met her.
15 Q.
16 A. I don't know who that is either.
17 Q. A person named who knows .
18 Is that OM.
19 A. I don't know, sir.
23 Q. Do you remember making a statement to
21 Detective Pagan that's in the police reports?
22 A. No, sir.
23 Q. Have you read the police reports in this
24 case?
25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. They're on the Internet, right?
2 A. Yes, I think.
3 Q. Were you surprised when the police reports
4 were released on the Internet containing your statements
5 that you had made to the police?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. You didn't want to see that happen, right?
8 A. No.
9 O. So you're saying you don't know a
10
11 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and
12 answered.
13 BY MR. TEIN:
14 Q. Does it refresh your memory that he was
15 somebody who had gone to jail for drugs and car theft?
16 A. No, sir.
17 O. Someone who knows .
18 A. No.
19 Q. You don't know if he met with Detective
20 Recarey?
21 A. No, sir.
22 Q. How about INS
23 A. Yes, I remember. I know who that is.
Q. Did you ever speak to l about what
24
25 happened at Mr. Epstein's house?
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1 A. He knows what happened four years ago. He
2 doesn't know this is still going on today.
3 Q. What's his address? I'm sorry. I have his
4 address.
5 A. I don't know.
6 Q. How about
7 A. gut
8 Q. You know who that is?
9 A. I know who that is, yes.
10 Q. He's the one you stayed out drinking all
11 night one night last year when your dad reported you
12 missing?
13 A. No, sir.
14 Q. Remember the baseball game you were
15 supposed to go to?
16 A. No, sir.
17 O. Did you speak to about this
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18 case?
19 A. No, sir.
20 Q. How about
21 A. That's my sister's ex-boyfriend.
22 Q. He's the one with the sawed-off shotgun
23 with the obliterated serial number?
24 A. Ask him. I would not know that
25 information.
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about this
1 Q. Did you speak to
2 case?
3 A. No, sir.
Q. Have you spoken to allarir bout this
4
5 case?
A. No. I don't know who is.
6 a
7 0. Did your parents speak to Illinir
8 A. Ask my parents.
9 Q. Let's see if I can refresh your memory as
10 to who he is. Okay?
11 A. Uh-huh.
12 Q. He's the Vanity Fair reporter who made a
13 financial arrangement with your father.
14 A. I am aware of that. And again, I was not
15 aware like that my dad did it until after it was done.
16 And I don't know the details about that. I just know
17 what you know about that, like that they talked.
18 Q. Tell me what you know about the financial
19 arrangement that MM. the Vanity Fair reporter,
20 made with your father.
21 A. I don't know about the details at all.
22 Q. How much money did give to
MOM
23 your father?
24 A. I don't even know he gave money to my dad.
25 Q. I'm sorry?
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1 A. I didn't even know he gave money to my dad.
2 Q. What do you know about the deal that mir
3 has with your father?
4 A. I only know they spoke on the telephone
5 once. I don't know anything else.
6 Q. When was that?
7 A. This was a while ago, a year or two or a
8 year ago. I honestly don't know.
9 Q. Did MEM the Vanity Fair
10 reporter, offer any money to your father?
11 A. I don't know.
12 Q. Did the Vanity Fair
13 reperter, give you any money?
14 A. No, sir.
15 Q. Did he offer you any money?
16 A. No, sir. Never spoke to him.
17 Q. What reporters have you spoken to?
18 A. Zero.
19 Q. What about your family members? What
20 reporters have they spoken to?
21 A. The whole Palm Beach County, obviously, as
22 you can see in that newspaper.
23 Q. Tell me -- let's go through each one that
24 you remember. Other than the Vanity Fair reporter,
25 IIIMIWwhat other reporters have any member of your
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1 family spoken to?
2 A. I don't know. And I know my mom has spoken
3 to zero. My sister spoke to zero. My father and
stepmother, I wouldn't know. You'd have to ask them. I
4
5 don't contact them.
6 Q. Well, I just want to know -- I don't want
7 you to -- I want to know what's in your mind. All right?
8 MR. LEOPOLD: She just told you. She just
9 answered --
10 MR. TEIN: Be quiet.
11 BY MR. TEIN:
12 Q. What I want to know is what you know from
your personal knowledge. My question to you is: What
13
14 knowledge do you have about family members of yours
15 speaking to reporters?
16 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and
17 answered.
18 And if you can't talk professionally, we're
19 going to leave.
20 MR. TEIN: Do what you want to do.
21 MR. LEOPOLD: Are you going to continue to
22 talk this way?
23 MR. TEIN: I'm not going to answer any
24 question that you ask me, Mr. Leopold.
25 MR. LEOPOLD: Okay.
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1 MR. TEIN: But you are misrepresenting the
2 record and you are grandstanding for your client
3 and it's wrong. So be quiet. And you know how to
4 make an objection. Make it. Otherwise stop
5 talking.
6 BY MR. TEIN:
7 Q. init-
8 MR. LEOPOLD: Excuse me.
9 MR TEIN: If you want to leave the
10 deposition, leave. But you'll be back here.
11 MR. LEOPOLD: Excuse me. If I could just
12 make the record, instead of interrupting me,
13 please. That's what we do professionally.
14 There's a recorder here. I'm certainly not being
15 obstructionist. I'm going to make the record.
16 But we're going to act with some semblance of
17 professionalism, hopefully, by all parties in the
18 room. That goes to me, that goes to your
19 co-counsel sitting behind you and next to you, the
20 court reporter and everyone else in the room.
21 Everyone is entitled to that.
22 You've asked a question. She answered the
23 question fully and she's not going to be harassed
24 because you don't like the answer. If you want to
25 follow up --
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1 MR. TEIN: Stop engaging me. Make your
2 speech and then we'll ask the questions.
3 MR. LEOPOLD: Well, you won't let me finish
4 making the objection, so it's difficult to do
5 that. But if you want to follow with an
6 appropriate question, feel free to do that. But
7 we're not going to harass the witness.
8 MR. TEIN: I disagree with everything
9 you've said. Let's ask the questions. Okay?
10 MR. LEOPOLD: Ask an appropriate question.
11 MR. TEIN: Are you going to stop talking?
12 MR. LEOPOLD: I'm going to make -- protect
13 my client and make appropriate objections. But
14 there's not a question pending right now.
15 BY MR. TEIN:
16 Q. ahasillispoken to any reporters?
17 A. No.
18 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and
19 answered.
20 BY MR. TEIN:
21 Q. Has been given money by any
22 reperters?
23 A. No.
24 Q. Has your mom spoken to any reporters?
25 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and
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1 answered.
2 THE WITNESS: No.
3 BY MR. TEIN:
4 Q. Has your mom's husbandlillispoken to any
5 reporters?
6 A. No.
7 Q. Has your mom's husband IIIIIreceived any
8 money from reporters?
9 A. No.
10 Q. Are you sure you don't know
11 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and
12 answered.
13 THE WITNESS: I'm positive.
14 BY MR. TEIN:
15 Q. I'll try again to refresh your memory.
16 A. Okay.
17 Q. Does it refresh your memory that she had
18 been arrested for drugs and was cooperating with
19 Detective Recarey against Epstein to get herself a better
20 deal?
21 A. No. I don't know who she is.
22 Q. Have you spoken to anyone else who's been
23 at Epstein's house?
24 A. No.
25 Q. Without telling me what was said -- I don't
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1 wart to know about any conversations with any lawyers,
2 okay --
3 A. Uh-huh.
4 Q. did you or your parents speak to any
5 other law firms besides Mr. Herman and Mr. Leopold's law
6 firms?
7 A. No.
8 Q. Now without telling me about anything that
9 was said, what -- did one just come to mind?
10 A. No. I was thinking about something else.
11 Q. What were you thinking about?
12 A. Does family court matter?
13 Q. Okay. Without telling me what was said,
14 who prepared you for today's deposition?
15 A. What do you mean prepared?
16 Q. Did you talk about this deposition, about
17 what would happen, with anybody?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Don't tell me what was said.
2D A. Okay.
21 Q. I'm not asking that. I don't want to know
22 that.
23 A. Okay.
24 Q. Who prepared you for today's deposition?
25 A. Mr. Leopold.
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1 Q. Anybody else?
2 A. No.
3 Q. When did you meet with Mr. Leopold to
4 prepare for today's deposition?
5 A. This morning.
6 Q. And how long did that meeting last?
7 A. Until it started.
8 Q. Now you told me that you previously had
9 read the police reports in this case?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. Have you read your statement that you gave
12 to the police?
13 A. Yes, sir.
14 Q. And in what form was that statement?
15 A. What do you mean?
16 Q. Was it in the form of a police report or a
17 transcript?
18 A. What's the difference?
19 Q. A transcript has questions and answers on
2) it. A police report is just typed out narrative.
21 A. Oh, it's a police report.
22 Q. And when did you read the police report?
23 A. A few days ago. I overread it a few days
24 ago.
25 Q. Had you read it before that?
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1 A. No.
2 Q. Now you told me -- again, I don't want to
3 know what was said.
4 A. Oh-huh.
5 Q. You told me that you met with Mr. Leopold
6 this morning to prepare for your deposition, right?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. When did you set up that meeting with
9 Mr. Leopold to take place this morning?
10 A. Gee, like, like five days ago, four days
11 ago.
12 Q. So you're aware that Mr. Leopold told us
13 that he could not start the deposition this morning
14 because he had a court appearance, correct?
15 MR. LEOPOLD: Don't answer that question.
16 Calls for attorney/client communications.
17 BY MR. TEIN:
18 Q. Have you seen the letter that Mr. Leopold
19 wrote to us stating that he -- an e-mail that Mr. Leopold
20 wrote to Mr. Goldberger stating that he could not be here
this morning because he had a court appearance? Did you
22 see :hat e-mail?
23 MR. LEOPOLD: You can answer that question.
24 THE WITNESS: No.
25
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1 BY MR. TEIN:
2 Q. Have you listened to your tape-recorded
3 statement to the police?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Where did you listen to that?
6 A. In, I think, this building. I don't know.
7 It was here.
8 Q. When did you listen to that statement?
9 A. This morning.
10 Q. And who was present when you listened to
11 that statement?
12 A. Mr. Leopold -- and I forget your name.
13 MR. GOLDBERGER: Ms. Belohlavek.
14 THE WITNESS: Ms. Belohlavek.
15 BY MR. TEIN:
16 Q. And you hadn't listened to your statement
17 before that, correct?
18 A. No, sir.
19 Q. Have you met with lawyers representing
20 anyone else suing Epstein?
21 A. No, sir.
22 Q. How many times have you spoken to officers
23 with the Palm Beach Police Department?
24 A. More than I like can count. It's been
25 ongoing for four years, so quite a few times.
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1 Q. When was the last time you spoke with
2 officers of the Palm Beach Police Department?
3 A. A while ago. I'd say a year ago.
4 Q. A year ago?
5 A. Yeah. Maybe a year and a half.
6 Q. Do you remember Detective Recarey?
7 A. No.
8 Q. Do you remember Michelle Pagan, Detective
9 Pagan?
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. How many times have you spoken to Detective
12 Pagan?
13 A. She was the only one I spoke to about this
14 until for some reason she wasn't on the case anymore.
15 Q. When was that?
16 A. The first meeting I ever had was with her
17 and then I think like I met with her like 10 times or 12
:8 times or something like that, and then I didn't get
19 another investigator questioned me after that.
20 Q. And who was that?
21 A. I don't remember.
22 Q. And what type of questions did they ask
23 you?
24 A. The same.
25 Q. The same questions all over again?
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1 A. I'd have to say like a year and a half ago,
2 a year ago. It was a long time ago.
3 (Discussion held off the record.)
4 MR. TEIN: Tell me the last answer, please.
5 (Thereupon, a portion of the record was read
6 by the reporter.)
7 BY MR. TEIN:
8 Q. And who was present when the FBI spoke to
9 you at your father's house?
10 A. My stepmother was there, but she wasn't
11 around. She made herself like do other things.
12 Q. And how many FBI agents were there?
13 A. I think four.
i4 Q. And you don't remember any of their names?
15 A. No, sir.
16 Q. And were there any lawyers there?
17 A. Not that I know of.
18 Q. And none of them gave you their cell phone
19 numbers?
20 A. No.
21 Q. And the last time you spoke to the FBI was
22 a year and a half ago?
23 A. It was a while ago.
G4 MR. LEOPOLD: Objection. Asked and
25 answered.
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1 BY MR. TEIN:
ral
2 Q. And the last time you spoke to the fede
3 prosecutor's office was when?
4 A. I don't know.
that
5 Q. Did any of the FBI agents tell you
Leopold?
6 Marie Villafona had spoken with Mr.
A. No.
7
8 Q. Did any of the FBI agents tell you that
an?
9 Marie Villafona had spoken with Mr. Herm
10 A. No.
11 Q. Did any FBI agents tell you that Jeff
12 Slonan spoke with Mr. Herman.
13 A. No.
14 Q. Did any FBI agents tell you that Jeff
15 Slonan spoke with Mr. Leopold?
16 A. No.
17 Q. Do you know whether any of the federal
ew a draft
18 prosecutors allowed Mr. Herman to revi
19 indictment?
20 A. I wouldn't know.
21 Q. Do you know if any of the federal
ctment with Mr. Herman?
22 prosecutors discussed a draft indi
23 A. I wouldn't know.
24 Q. Have you ever e-mailed with any FBI agent
25 or any federal prosecutor?
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