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SOD-NY-3027571 Serial 643 -1 of 11 - FD-302 (Rev 5-11-I0) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Dmeacmry 09/17/7021 I, date of birth was interviewed at Present for the interview was attorneys Also present was Assistant United States Attorneys along with Detective and Special Agent After being advised of the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, provided the following information: has talked with friends over the past few months. also talked wit . All have been contacted by GHISLAINE MAXWELL's (MAXWELL) attorneys. MAXWELL's lawyers showed up to speak to MAXWELL introduced to , who is now deceased. helped son lives it is like remembers the day she met him. ( ) told that he was not going to speak with her again. MAXWELL had called at some point and asked if was going to talk. felt that will make it difficult to use. felt ( was also difficult. reached out to asking if she could talk to him. told her he did not want to talk if it was about MAXWELL. sent a message saying, "Friends don't say things to get friends in trouble." Invesliptionm 09/01/2021 at nko 50D-NY-3027571 Date Mailed 09/10/2021 by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI It is die properly of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency 3513-037 Page I of 1 1 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007384 EFTA00158686 FD-302e (Rev 5440) SOD-NY-3027571 Serial 643 50D-NY-3027571 (U) Interview of ConlmumieeofFD•102of September 1, 2021 00, 09/01/2021 J 2 of 11 advised made up a story of how she tried to stop MAXWELL and how she confronted MAXWELL. 3513-037 Page 2 of 11 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007385 EFTA00158687 FD-3020 (Rev 5440) SOD-NY-3027571 Serial 643 50D-NY-3027571 (U) Interview of ConimunenofFD-302of September 1, 2021 .On 09/01/2021 pav 3 of 11 learned MAXWELL'S lawyers had called At some point, wanted to go to Paris. They stayed at a hotel in There were fantastic dinners and fancy parties. There were a lot of drugs and alcohol. The lifestyle was normalized. They were with a group of people and recalled MAXWELL coming to the lobby of the hotel and she went out with them that night. recalled wearing a velvet catsuit with white shoes; she weighed around 951bs at the time. recalled MAXWELL commenting on how she looked, "You're doing it right." To , MAXWELL was like an old lady. MAXWELL was very charismatic and very reaffirming. and MAXWELL exchanged numbers. 3513-037 Page 3of11 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007386 EFTA00158688 FD-3020 (Rev 5440) SOD-NY-3027571 Serial 643 50D-NY-3027571 (U) Interview of ConimunenofFD•302of September 1, 2021 .On 09/01/2021 j ut 4 of 11 advised JEFFREY EPSTEIN (EPSTEIN) had a black book. also had one that he had laminated and carried around. A short time after met MAXWELL and was back in , MAXWELL called her house. did not remember having a direct conversation with MAXWELL about her age. age was discussed because with and other men around, they wanted younger women. MAXWELL told her, "You're only as young as the women you field." told MAXWELL she lived in MAXWELL told where she lived, an4 When was around 19/20 years old, AXWELL recalled telling MAXWELL did not recall what MAXWELL was wearing, but recalled she had short dark hair. The whole time knew MAXWELL, MAXWELL had short hair. remembered thinking AMXWELL was attractive but she needed other 3513-037 Page 4 of 11 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007387 EFTA00158689 FD-302a(Rev 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Serial 643 50D-NY-3027571 (U) Interview of ConlimmimmofFD.302of September 1, 2021 On 09/01/2021 .fts, 5 of 11 people around her. MAXWELL was smart but not one of the hot girls. • recalled either or MAXWELL told her that they had went to OXFORD together. When MAXWELL called after they first met, MAXWELL invited her over for tea. MAXWELL had a general attitude that she was powerful. was excited about it. did not understand why MAXWELL liked her. MAXWELL had a lot going on. MAXWELL was a friend of It was frowned upon to ask about people's work and money. When had tea with MAXWELL the first time it was just the two of them. MAXWELL talked to like a schoolgirl. advised that grown women do not talk about boys, they talk about men. The language MAXWELL used was reminiscent of a schoolgirl. MAXWELL used words like silly, naughty, boys, kissing, and called men's genitalia "willies". MAXWELL almost presented like she was younger than did not talk like that. wanted MAXWELL to like her and took her cues from her. MAXWELL asked about . At this point, relationship with was pretty much over. MAXWELL told , "Well we'll find you someone nice." MAXWELL asked to tell her about herself and what she liked. MAXWELL commented, "Oh you're so fit, you're so skinny, you're so pretty." told MAXWELL she liked music. told MAXWELL that her parent told MAXWELL about her family and told her that told MAXWELL about the was trying to present to MAXWELL that she was independent and sophisticated. 3513-037 Page5of II SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007388 EFTA00158690 ED.302a(Rev 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Serial 643 50O-NY-3027571 (U) Interview of ComumManofFD.302of September 1, 2021 on 09/01/2021 jag., 6 of 11 could not remember if she went to the apartment first or met first. thought that she went to the apartment first because she was around 20 years old when she met spoke with the day before this interview and asked him if he remembered his age when she met him. As of the date of this interview, MAXWELL and talked about what was going on in at the time. They talked about if met anyone nice. They talked about fashion. MAXWELL told that she had a boyfriend named Jeffrey; MAXWELL did not say his last name at that time. MAXWELL told her he was a philanthropist. MAXWELL told he would be coming to , and she should meet him. did not think there was a big time lapse between the time she had tea with MAXWELL and the time she met EPSTEIN. MAXWELL contacted telling her, "He's coming, you have to come over. I told him about you. It'll be great for you." The only time MAXWELL and were on the phone together was for MAXWELL to invite to something. The first conversation between MAXWELL and , there was nothing overly sexual discussed, but there was an underlying tone. MAXWELL asked, "Oh you dated , is that what you like?" advised if MAXWELL had said something sexual it would have been inappropriate; was young and MAXWELL was a much older woman and a stranger to her. It would have been abrasive and rude and MAXWELL was not rude. MAXWELL was overly helpful asking if tea was alright and if there was anything she could get for told her that she met MAXWELL on one occasion but did not remember that but advised that it was certainly a possibility. 3513-037 Page6of II SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007389 EFTA00158691 ED.302a (Rev 54.10 SOD-NY-3027571 Serial 643 50D-NY-3027571 (U) Interview of CmWmuthmofFD.3(nof September 1, 2021 on 09/01/2021 .rage 7 of 11 told MAXWELL she massaged her did not recall if she told MAXWELL this on the first occasion or a separate occasion but did recall that she told her before she first massaged EPSTEIN. MAXWELL talked to about her father. recalled seeing a lot of pictures of EPSTEIN and MAXWELL together in MAXWELL's home; it was clear to that the two of them were together. recalled a picture of EPSTEIN and MAXWELL where MAXWELL was looking at EPSTEIN and he was looking at the camera. It looked like MAXWELL was obsessed with EPSTEIN. described MAXWELL as being very highly strung and neurotic. was like this as well. MAXWELL made sure it was important that the biggest thing to the smallest thing had to be just right for EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was sarcastic as well. MAXWELL said things like, "Oh you know what boys are like", "you know what needs to be done", "you know what I mean right", "Of course you know". At age she did not want to say that she did not know. MAXWELL told her dad was very difficult. MAXWELL told her that she really loved her father and idolized him. MAXWELL had a dog called Max; met the dog a few times. After the first time massaged EPSTEIN, she and MAXWELL had profound moments of connection and MAXWELL would be vulnerable. MAXWELL told "Oh God not another blowjob for Jeffrey, don't you know anyone? I can't do everything around her." MAXWELL mentioned to that her childhood was difficult. MAXWELL said that her brothers were amazing people. met one of her brothers in New York. EPSTEIN told privately that MAXWELL'S brothers were crooks. 3513-037 Page 7 of 11 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007390 EFTA00158692 FD•302a (Rev 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Serial 643 50D-NY-3027571 (U) Interview of CommualmofFD.302of September 1, 2021 O, 09/01/2021 Page 8 of 11 felt an identification with MAXWELL; MAXWELL talked about her father early on, and a bit later talked about her brothers. was in touch with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN for around 15 years. The last time spoke with MAXWELL was around 10 years ago on the phone. The last time saw EPSTEIN was in Paris and she noticed that MAXWELL was not as directly involved then. described MAXWELL's apartment as having brick on the outside and there was a pub across the street called "Nags Head". There was a man named who owned the pub at the time. Politicians lived on the same street. Inside, the house was carpeted. There were a lot of picture frames of MAXWELL and EPSTEIN. There were other pictures of MAXWELL with PRINCE ANDREW and other famous people. There was a staircase up and it had a banister. It was carpeted. The carpet was a beige color. There was a kitchen downstairs; this was where she brought a tray of tea and cookies from. Upstairs was MAXWELL's room and there was a room upstairs that was the massage room that had a stack of towels and a robe. There were nice smelling candles. The massage room was dimly lit with a massage table in it. MAXWELL gave some oil. At one point there were two robes in the massage room and MAXWELL told she could use one; this was the first time massaged EPSTEIN. At the time, did not think anything of MAXWELL offering her a robe. Since MAXWELL was arrested, has two deadbolts on her door and her II recalled getting a threatening phone call a few years back. knows MAXWELL like she is someone in her family. advised she knew that if MAXWELL could kill her, she would then go have lunch afterwards. MAXWELL would do whatever is necessary; she has an obsessive personality. MAXWELL would do what is required and would not feel bad. The first two to three years, contact was always initiated by MAXWELL. Occasionally, scheduling was done through EPSTEIN's secretary. MAXWELL spent quite a bit of time in the states. MAXWELL would tell , "Oh, we'll have to get you over to New York. Or if you're coming to New York 3513-037 II Page 8 of SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007391 EFTA00158693 FD-302a(Rev 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Serial 643 50D-NY-3027571 (U) Interview of CmWmulionofFD.302of September 1, 2021 on 09/01/2021 ftv 9 of 11 we'll have to get you a place to stay." MAXWELL called to check in on her. MAXWELL initiated the phone call, saying, "I need your help." was doing quite a bit of at the time, and she would tell MAXWELL that. MAXWELL would say to that "we'd have to get you over here...want to go on a trip." MAXWELL made everything seem easy and that nothing was out of reach. Before met EPSTEIN, MAXWELL talked about EPSTEIN like he was a god. MAXWELL made EPSTEIN seem like he could do anything, like he was a magic person. MAXWELL told "He's going to love you." MAXWELL said things to like, "The massage therapist is not available and I need you and Jeffrey loves you and you have strong hands." MAXWELL almost made it sound like she was irritated. MAXWELL acted like she was irritated that was picked over her. MAXWELL said, "Jeffrey is insisting it's you; what am I, chopped liver." MAXWELL acted fake annoyed. did not have an cell phone. was in and MAXWELL would always call when she was in MAXWELL also called when she (MAXWELL) was in New York. MAXWELL said things that were over the top like, "We just took the plane to the island...just took the helicopter" to some place. EPSTEIN was a little bit vulgar in everything he said. EPSTEIN talked about money a lot, questioning whether he should buy another island. He said things like that in front of his staff that did not make a lot of money. MAXWELL tiptoed around EPSTEIN; everything was catering to him. EPSTEIN was direct with his staff. did not see him get angry with staff. MAXWELL got mad at the staff when something did not go right. One day, heard MAXWELL scream on the phone. recalled the subject of muffins; EPSTEIN had to have a certain kind of food. EPSTEIN had to have a certain kind of sweatpants laundered in certain detergent. MAXWELL seemed to be terrified EPSTEIN would leave her. EPSTEIN had a short attention span. MAXWELL had to give EPSTEIN reasons to keep her. MAXWELL talked about needing young, pretty, blonde girls. MAXWELL told , "You know what he likes". After the first two times 3513-037 Page9of 11 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007392 EFTA00158694 ED.302a(Rev 54.10) SOD-NY-3027571 Serial 643 50D-NY-3027571 (U) Interview of CmWmuthmofFD.302of September 1, 2021 on 09/01/2021 . fts , 10 of 11 massaged EPSTEIN, MAXWELL asked her all the time "who do you know?". MAXWELL told that EPSTEIN was high maintenance and demanding, also saying, "one person can't need that much sex". MAXWELL initiated bringing girls. remembered seeing and felt protective of her. MAXWELL always called direct. EPSTEIN never called direct; his secretary LESLEY called and connected EPSTEIN to . It wasn't until much later that EPSTEIN had direct contact with traveled to New York, Palm Beach, Paris, and the island to see them. When was in Palm Beach, EPSTEIN brought up the subject of having a child. MAXWELL was upset and pissed. felt like MAXWELL punished her because of it. thought it was humiliating for MAXWELL that EPSTEIN wanted to have a child with her and not MAXWELL. felt she looked more like EPSTEIN's type. When MAXWELL left the schoolgirl outfit on the bed, that was one of the worst experiences had. When traveled to the island, EPSTEIN's secretary made the arrangements. was not sure who made the arrangements for the other places she traveled. While in the New York apartment, this was around the same time MAXWELL introduced to This was before understood that EPSTEIN paid for everything. MAXWELL told that EPSTEIN got her the house in New York. felt this was almost like MAXWELL showing that if EPSTEIN liked her enough this was what she could get. knew what had happened with MAXWELL's father so there was no way MAXWELL could be doing stuff on her own. MAXWELL's father lost everything. had been to MAXWELL's New York house; this was where she met MAXWELL's brother. remembered MAXWELL having the New York house later in the time she knew them. MAXWELL would say "we" and refer to her and EPSTEIN. MAXWELL said things like, "We can do this. We might get a place in LA." The last time spoke to MAXWELL, MAXWELL told her that she was dating 3513-037 Page100111 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007393 EFTA00158695 FD-302e (Rev 5440) SOD-NY-3027571 Serial 643 50D-NY-3027571 (U) Interview of Contralti/Moo of FD•302 of September 1, 2021 .On 09/01/2021 page 11 of 11 a wealthy high-profile man. In the beginning, MAXWELL asked, "What do you want to be when you grow up?". thought MAXWELL was torn because she wanted to be enough but knew she could not be enough so she found people so she could keep everything. was the most like MAXWELL. thought that on most levels MAXWELL had a genuine connection with MAXWELL. had the look and age EPSTEIN wanted. To recollection, this was after she had massaged EPSTEIN. was doing things she did not want to do. ESPTEIN touched her. had flashbacks and would take her sleeping pills because she could not sleep. felt pretty confident she met MAXWELL between the ages of 17-18 years old. 3513-037 Page II of 11 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00007394 EFTA00158696