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EFTA00223371 7212.370 LeiC01)-r+- ft VicikkrexT10\•  LAW OFFICES Of GEBALD B. DEPODURT, P.C. A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION 148 EAST 78P4 STREET NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10021 TELEPHONE GERALD B. LEFCOURT (212) 737-0400 FACSIMILE SHERYL E. REICH RENATO C. STABILE February 23, 2007 11.1111.1 VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS Escl: Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida 500 South Australian Avenue, Suite 400 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Re: Jeffrey Epstein Dear Thank you once again for meeting with us regarding our client, Jeffrey Epstein. As you know, in advance of last Tuesday's meeting we provided you with the recorded interviews of various witnesses taken in the state's investigation. At the meeting, we disclosed that, as part of our own preparation, we made working transcripts of these recordings. You have asked for copies of the transcripts and we have discussed various ways that that might be accomplished without compromising Mr. Epstein's position and rights. To assist in your bringing this investigation to a close, enclosed are highlighted excerpts of the transcripts. The excerpts support our argument that no federal prosecution should be brought in this matter. Please note that these transcripts are drafts and subject to further review and revision. They are provided as a courtesy and in furtherance of our discussions and therefore are not usable by you for any purposes. By accepting these transcripts you agree never to contend that any revisions made thereto compare unfavorably to the drafts provided; nor will you use the drafts otherwise to the detriment of Mr. Epstein. EFTA00223372  LAW OririCCEI or GERALD B. Japatounir, P.C. Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 2 The excerpts fall generally into the following five subject areas and are therefore. arranged in the numbered tabs. Note, the witnesses were not all asked the same questions and therefore, not every witness touched on every subject area we here consider relevant': Tab 1: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to touch, nor did the women in fact touch, his genitals; Tab 2: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to engage, nor did they in fact engage, in sexual intercourse with him; Tab 3: Not only did Mt Epstein not search out women under the age of 18, but the vast majority of the women from whom he received massages during the period were 18 or older. To the extent the witnesses were asked, they admitted being told that Mr Epstein would not allow them into his house if they were not 18 and that if they were not 18, they were told (by friends, not by Mr. Epstein or anyone employed by Mr. Epstein) to lie about their age. Again, to the extent they were asked in the interviews, they admitted that, if the subject of age did come up in conversation with Mr. Epstein, those under 18 falsely claimed to him that they were 18; Tab 4: Mr. Epstein did not coerce, threaten or otherwise pressure the women in an effort to force them to do anything; to the extent they were asked, they admitted they understood they could decline to accede to any of Mr. Epstein's requests; and, Tab 5: Prior to going to Mr. Epstein's home, virtually all of the women were apprised of what they would be asked to do or, if they claimed they were not, they had no objection tgavhat occurred, since they either returned to give further massages or they brought others to do or both. Of course, irrespective of what any particular witness said at her interview on any particular point, in many instances fanciful claims are contradicted by the witness herself elsewhere in her statement, by documentary evidence, and/or by other witnesses. Moreover, the witnesses suffer from significant credibility problems based on universally accepted tests for credibility: bias, motive, prior bad acts, etc., some of which we have already previewed in the February 1, 2007, letter. EFTA00223373  LAW OFFICES OF GERALD B. LEFa3URT, P.O. Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 3 Finall ursuant to our re uest we have included copies of the full working transcripts of the an recordings. If you have any questions regarding any of the materials we have provided please feel free to contact us. Very truly yours, Gerald B. cc: Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq. EFTA00223374 • EFTA00223375 717 RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIMV'ILLPD :NTERVINN OF EFTA00223376  DRAFT 1 and that, I don't know, we just don't talk anymore. 2 Q which was? 3 A 4 and -- 5 A And Jen. / don't know if has ever slept 6 with him. I can't speak for her. But he liked her the 7 most. I don't know why he liked her the root but it was 6 always working for him. And she wouldn't just bring 9 girls. She would work for him. 10 Q HOW much money do you think she made? 11 A I don't know. She never really -- the first time 12 1 brought her she made 200, After that I think she started 13 making like 300. It's not accurate, Like I can't -- 14 Q The more you do the more you get paid. 15 A Pretty much. 16 Q I know you said that. But -- 17 A Richt. I think she made 300 after that. I think 18 WIC started making like 300 19 Q Does he make the girls touch him down there? 20 A r don't know. 21 Q to that part of the massage? 22 A It wasn't with me. He never asked me:to touch him 23 or Lonele him, He sever asked me, I don't know if he's 24 Mier asked the other girls. It wee never really brought up. 25 It was always him touching them, MaliaNarIPSISMIIINIftWW•elf AIMMIPPALAMIGA EFTA00223377  Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTE/N DRAFT VTDEOTAVED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00223378  DRAFT Page 19 1 Q Three hundred. And that was the last tine you 2 went? I 3 A (Nods head yes ) 4 Q when ho touched your brcaat area, you didn't hove S a bra on? 6 A I didn't have a bra cos, 7 Q tor didn't have a bra on. And your buttocks? 13 A Ch-huh 9 Q Was that over your panties or under your panties? 10 A Like : have a thong on 80. 11 Q You had thongn. Okay All right uid he pull 12 you close to hire? 13 A Yeah. 14 Q And all this while he was masturbating? 15 A (Nods head yes.) 16, p bia:he have you touch 17 . A No.. 18 Q Aside from the .maseage. touch -t4ty in his penis ; s 19 aced? 20 A lioh7!loh;- No: 21 Q Did you bring anyone else other ;hem 22 A 23 Q -- 24 A 2S C IIII. Do you know A_OX I S last name? 1.8 • EFTA00223379  Paget IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OP EFTA00223380  DRAFT Page S 1 Q Right. 2 A They cover enough. They don't show too much 3 Q Okay, You messaged him? 4 A Oh-huh. 5 Q pie he try to touch you in any way? 6 A No. 7 Q Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash 8 vibrators? 9 A No, Huh-huh, 10 Q Did he aik:yoU to touch him? 11 A Just to give him a massage, 12 Q I mean 13 A Oh, no. Huh-huh. 14 Q No? 15 A I would have said no anyways That's gross. 16 Q Okay. Did he touch himself? 17 A Yeah 18 0 Okay. And I mean, X mean by touching himself, did 19 he masturbate? 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Okay. Do you know if he got to the point where he 22 climaxed? 23 A He did• 24 0 He did. Mae that the only time you ever went? 25 A one time. EFTA00223381 0.! Page 1 IN 1-0.;: WE'flREY EPSY8ih DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OP EFTA00223382  DRAFT Page 12 1 A Okay. My bad. I 2 0 I was writing that quickly, , and I was 3 thinking Johanna 4 A Okay, That's fine. t 5 Q All right. was there anybody ever at the house 6 that you provided a massage to aside from Jeffrey? 7 A No. No. 8 0 pgrOD the 140 8A8013:.:04 haever:4a.k -Yovvto t00a4: 9 him? 10 A NO 11 Q Did be touch himself? 12 A Yes. 13 Q Would ha be just touching aimaelf or would he be 14 masturbating? 15 A He would masturbate. 16 Q Okay. How would you know that the massage was 17 over? 18 A He would come. 19 Q He climaxed? 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Again, I've talked to a lot of girls and II far 22 everything seems to be in the norm, II that's why I'm saying 23 don't, I know it's a little embarrassing. 24 Did you ever meet any other girls that (tame to the 25 house? IWIN.4•MfS•1••••••••••75 EFTA00223383 EFTA00223384 •••••••1111,"TOP.,1," r•••••-cr•-••••. I dO MalAUSINI OZdYI Linn Amtlsar ;31i. MI oSrd  DRAFT Page 12 Did fulever askyt4tiotoUCh him? 2 A No. Oas eurprisediaboilt that 3 because he never'esked bet (inaudible). 4 BY DETECTIVE DAWES, 5 Q Okay Cid you ever see him nude? Naked? 6 A I wasn't paying attention. Ne got in the shower 7 in front of WA but X wasn't paying attention. 0 Q Co you can see -- the shower you could see from 9 the room? 10 A There was the shower and then he has like a bath 11 If you come up into hie bedroom, I don't really remember. 12 but if you come into his room theroln a shower. As you come 13 into the bathroom part there's a shower right here. And 14 then a massage table right here And then there was a couch is going around right hers. And the shower (inaudible) ha took 16 a shower and helm like feel comfortable and I was like okay, 17 I don't remember if he asked me to take off my clothes, my 18 top and my bottoms, but I think he did. I'm not sure. I 19 have bad memory It was a long time ago. 20 0 Okay II if you wanted to look, he would have 21 been naked in front of yogi you just made it a choice not to 22 look? 23 A Right. 24 BY DETECTIVE ■ 25 Q Okay NOININ • leM! I II EFTA00223385  DRAFT 1 • Detective 2 U. 3 KB: Kathy Back 4 5 MP. I.D. #8059, reference case number 05.368. The time now, by my watch, Is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15/05. (Inaudible) I 8 UNK: Just 9 Okay, the Present also Is...could you state your name 10 please? 11 • 12 Spell your name please? 13 • 14 • And your date of birth? 15 16 ■And you are? 17 CB Cathy Back, Family Therapist. 18 Could you spell your name please? 19 KB: K-A-T-H-Y B-A-C-K. 20 n. And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 KB' Yes. 22 III Okay. I'm here today; , and I have stated briefly why I'm here Is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, 0, a girl y0u know. Page 1 of 43 • EFTA00223386  a: Are you lying about anything? 2 0 : •No I'll swear on the bible. 3 • Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. 4 I swear to God. 5 Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 6 No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 7 • that's it. You did not have any kind of sex with him. 8 Heck not! I will swear on my mother's grave... 9 You know what having sex with somebody means? 10 Yes, I know what having sex with somebody means. 11 Okay. You, at no time. touched his penis? 12 At no time did I touch his penis. 13 At any time, did he touch you..... 14 At no time... 15 Besides putting his hands... 18 Besides that, no times did he touch me. 17 And just. I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 18 Yes, I saw him. 19 Okay. And as far as you think 20 think, I know, web, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same noises were being 21 made when he was (inaudible). 22 • And that's it. I thank you very much This will conclude the interview. The time 23 now by my watch Is approximately 3:05. Page 43 of 43 EFTA00223387  Page 1 IN RE: jEFEREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF 1 • Pia EFTA00223388 1 2 A Q Yeah. Okay. 1)11AFT Wage 6 1 3 A Well, no. :t was the second time that I gave him 4 a massage. The first time i went up with 5 Q Okay. You want uostairs with 6 A No, T was 1h the kitchen. 7 Q You were in the kitchen That was -- you only had two times that you went mnere? 9 A Yeah, 10 Q the first time you didn't do anything but just sit 11 in the kitchen? 12 A Yeah. 13 Q Whc did you sit in the kitchen with? 14 A He had a coos that was there and he had -- there 15 was -ike two other girls there that :Ave with him. 16 Q Ckay, Did yon massage his baok7 was he naked 1'7 when yo. : were massaging Mn? 18 A Well, he had like a towel around his -- his ipper 19 was (inaudible) but he had like a towel around him, 20 Q Okay. Did he over remove that towel? 21 A No. 27 Q When you were massaging him he never removed the 23 Lowe:? 24 A Nu. 25 Q Okay... 'Did you did'hA*70 YO” .g614ahlti's— -/ EFTA00223389 2 private Area? A NO, DRAFT No. .I, wouldn't. do tifLAP. Page '7 3 Q You wouldn't do that? 4 Okay. Did he touch you in your private area? b A No. KO. 6 Q No. 7 A He kept like staring at me and like, I don't knew, 8 I just felt uncomfortable and I _eft. But I heard other stories that like -- 10 0 Right_ I'm concerned with you. I know about 11 other stories and I've interviewed other people have :old me 12 different things. That's why I'm trying to find oat what 13 happened to you. Okay? 14 A Uh-huh. 15 Q You're the victim in this that's why I'm trying 16 tc find out whaL happens Lo you 17 A Ch-huh. 18 Q Okay? Who took you upstairs to the room? 19 A This girl that lives with him. 20 Q Okay. II tcok you ap? 21 A Yea. 22 O Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? 23 A Huh-huh. There's a massage table and she jLet 4 24 laid a toweL down and she said that Jeffrey will be oLt Col 1 EFTA00223390 ( *1 ( EFTA00223391  DRAFT 1 i5 Detective PIM= 2 a IIMMI 3 KB: Kathy Back 4 5 MP I.D. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch, Is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15105. (Inaudible) 411•1=IIMI B UNK: Just 9 Okay, the Present also Is...could you state your name 10 please? 11 12 5 Spell your name please? 13 ■ WM 14 MP' And your date of birth? 15 16 5 And you are? 17 CB Cathy Back, Family Therapist. 18 • Could you spell your name please? 19 KB: K-A-T-H-1' B-A-C-K. 20 5 And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 KB' Yes. 22 5 Okay. I'm here today; and I have slated briefly why I'm here Is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, r a gin you know. Page 1 of 43 EFTA00223392  DRAFT Are you lying about anything? 2 it No. I'll swear on the bible. 3 I. Okay. Swearing to God. that's good enough for me. 4 I swear to God. 5 ■Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 6 No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 7 Sohlbars It. You did notlhave.any Idndof sex 8 SG: Neck no!! I will sweat on my moth&a graWs.,. . 9 You kntth what havIng.sex With somebody means? 10 • Yes. I know what havIngSeX with somebody means: 11 5 Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 12 a At no time did I touch his penis. 13 ■ At any time. did he touch you 14 At no time... 15 5 Besides putting his hands... 16 Besides that, no times did he touch me. 17 ■ And just I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. I 18 5 Yes, 1 saw him. Il 19 5 Okay. And as far as you think..,. 20 • I think, I know, well, I couldn't say I know, but Ws the same noises were being 21 made when he was (Inaudible). 22 5 And that's It. I thank you very much. This will conclude the fritoMow. —he time 23 now by my watch 13 approximately 3:05 Page 43 of 43 EFTA00223393  Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF • EFTA00223394  DRAFT I Page 21 1 A (Shakes head no.) 2 Q Okay. "'his case is basically an investigation, an 3 open investigation, II T apprecta7e it vault we discuss stays 4 hero. Okay? 5 A Uh-hvh, 6 0 Don't tell anybody Lint we, that we talked, Okay? 7 A Okay. I 8 Q Did you ever have any intereourse with him? 9 10 Q Nc oral? li A (Shakos hood no.) 12 Q Nothing? 13 A Nothing else. 14 Q ifsay. I'm going to show you a group of 15 photographs I'm golng to show you a grump of six L6 photographs. Okay? I'm trying, trying to see if this 17 is it these six photos Okay? It's important that. you look 18 at all six of then and ba sure who you pick as the porson as 19 Okay? She may or may not be in thane stx photos bum 20 it's important for you to pick the right one. Okay? 21 A Jh-huh 22 Q Take your time looking at those six photos there. 23 A I don't see her, 24 0 She's not it those photos there? 25 A No i JIMAIMIW•POW )4•11.o iv..YWVs Ann —as EFTA00223395 C C ( EFTA00223396 1 Detective DRAFT 2 3 KB: Kathy Back 4 S N I-D. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch. is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3115/05. (Inaudible) I B UNK: Just High Ridge Family Center. 9 Okay, the Present also Is...could you state your name 10 please? 11 12 • Seel your name please? 13 14 And your date of birth? 16 16 And you are? 17 CB Cathy Back. Family Therapist. 18 N. Could you spell your name please? 19 KB: K-A-T-H-Y 20 • And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 KW Yes. 22 In Okay. I'm here today; , and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a Mend of yours, or a girl you know. Page 1 of 43 EFTA00223397  DRAFT Okay. After everything was done, okay. did he watch you get dressed? No. Cause I was gettng dressed while he was out there getting the $300. I 3 guess that's what he was doing. That's the ony thing he came back In wtth. le 4 was stil in a towel and stuff. 5 a In the room, at all, do you think...and I don't know if there Is or not, but do you 6 think there is anything in there that may have recorded what you did/ 7 a Oh my gosh..,, a A video camera... a Oh my gosh. I didn't think about that. There was lots of places there could have lc been one because there's pictures, that could have been, I don't know... 11 When he walked out... the reason why I ask Is because he walked out once and 12 then owns back in, right? 13 a Yet 14 • lit could be just he could whack off. Twee just curious. I don't know if 15 there Is or not. 16 If there was, I did not know about It. 17 Okay. Myou get dressed, you go downstairs. Where is !hat woman again? 18 Downstairs to Ildng to and the other girl. 19 Okay. 20 They were having a conversation. 21 Okay. Al anytime, did he speak to you or does he knoW how old you'are. did he '■■■■■ 22 know how old you were? 23 a Okay. Yes. And, es a matter of fact, Haley told meto say I. was 18; becauSe , Page 38 of 43 EFTA00223398  DRAFT 1 sakilen him you're 18 becauseit you're not, ne won't let yeti in his house 2 Go I said lie\was 18. As I was gifting him a maSsage; he;was like how old are- 3 you, And thent-Was 181 But ',kind of said It realiy-fait neca6se lI didn't arant,to 4 'make tt sound 9ke9 was lying or anything. 5■ what other things did he ask you? 6 •Gin, how f knove what school I went to. 7 Did you tell him what school you went to? SG: Yeah but f told hIrriall. i d dnl ten him- e MP. Did he ask you What grade you weraki Or did you fell hirn.whet grade you were 10 in? 11 •Yeah, he was like what grade are you in? Because I told him I was In 12" grade 12 13 •Okay. 14 ■Because I told him I was 18 so l had to... 15 you told him you were in 12" grade? 16 •Yes. 17 Are you sure? 18 ■Yea. 19 ■Okay. What else did you talk about? 20 ■Um, that's about it. And he was kind of asking me like how I knew-, is 21 nice to me and then he told me how he knew and he was like, I was 22 'flatlet like, how do you know-. Cause I brought up the conversation. He 23 said went know because she's been working for ma for a long time. And Page 3Dof 43 EFTA00223399  Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OP VI. tar. • EFTA00223400  DRAFT Page 9 1 BY DETECTIVE 2 Q You said ho used the vibrator but where did he use 3 it? Where did be touch you with it7 4 A in my lcwer area. 5 Q Your lower area'? Salow your waist? I 6 A (Inaudible.) 1 7 by DETECTIVE Q Okay, Eow long did he keep the vibrator on? 9 A A few seconds Not long. It wasn't Long. 10 Q Okay. Did you tell him you didn't like that or -- 11 A No. I told him -- I didn't tell his no and I 12 didn't tell him that I wasn't comfortable, 1 wasn't 13 cumfortable but I didn't tall hurl that. And like I said, 1 14 made the money that day no., 15 0 Did you guys discuss aytliang? 16 A NUh-huh. 11 Q1.d'Ile Ask lTAS'YoUT, App. 10 A Yeeh, I told him I was 18 Q You told him you were 11? Okay. Er.d he want you 19 20 to uonve3 i,ack7 21 A Ma said he would love if 2 coma back sometime but 22 I never went back. ! 23 Q You never went back. You only went one time i I What was and doinl when you were 24 25 upstairs? I I / i EFTA00223401  ale •••• •• • ••• •• Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIMMED INTERVIEW Oa= I EFTA00223402  DRAFT Page 12 a or be didn't earci 2 a I don't think ha eased. He told re the younger 3 the better. 4 0 The younger the batten all right. 5 A Pretty such untie how it worked Re didn't -- 6 let ea just pat it this way. be -- I tried to bring hie, X 7 tried Co briny lam a MAMA who ram 23 and he didn't really 8 like it. 9 Q Et didn't go for it? 10 A It's not that ha didn't go for it. It's just that it he didn't ears for it And ate likes the girls that are 12 between the ages of like 18.and 28. 13 Q Okay. 11 A But mostly the g_rls I -- I think soma of them lie 15 about their age. I know that when I started oft young / 16 think le know bettor to believe a I think he knew that I 17 was younger, like 17, but I told him that I was like 18, 18 Q Okay 19 A MoStCO the girl* 1464 iate.:owy so to: theta, 20 Q Rghc. Because mail said ellEe oms 21 A Man. )494t.4:0*174 !;•lifys,lie4; - ' 32 Q How do you contact hull? How do you know when he's 23 in town nod Ruff 11ks that? 22 A calls tie, 26 0 Oh, oaths you? •••••••••ap EFTA00223403  Page 1 im RE; JEFFREY EPOTELN DRAFT VTDEOTAPED INTE•RVTFW 01IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 1 EFTA00223404  Page 14 1 A Yeah, $100 more juot to take my shirt off. 2 Q Okay. And you said you didn't do U. 3 A No. 4 Q Okay. iid he masturbate on the secont tine 5 A Yoah. 6 Q And d_ci he ever climax? 1 A Actually the second tiso like it waan't that bed 8 because he was like on the phone, all the time end so he 9 wasn't paying attention to whet was going on. 10 Q Did he aver at any point. masturbate the second 11 time? 12 A No. Mot that I remember 13 Q Did he over ask you any ouostiona or speak to you 14 or as.< you anything? :5 A Weill, he tried to talk cc yes just to make you 16 comfortable with the situation like wreee do you work and 17 like how such do you make at your work and then he start 18 saying you can mate more wtth nw, but i didn't tees JAR° it 19 was right. 20 Q Did he eve: know your real age? 21 A After a while like because somebody told rim. 22 0 T:.at you wort -- 23 A Yeah, 24 (,) -• 17? 25 A hike Holey told U8. we were.suopeald.to say wo •.• aretWOorwOrmil EFTA00223405  Page 15 1 Were 10, 2 Q And who to=d'.Yon 'thni'.:to 3ey%tiliet7 3 4 5 A was the one who brought. everything to 6 eveIyone at school. That's 'Icy we know Snout it Chen she 7 took and took me Q Okay. oath tine you did go, did get 9 money for caking you or -- 10 A Weil, went with me twice I guess. And that 11 was it. Than I went w_lh 12 Q Okay. And did mho make money? Did IIII make 13 money for taking you to him? -4 A No, I ass taking her. 1, 0 Oh. you ware taking nor II you brought -- 16 A She knew about it and she ask me it I could tell 37 her because mho didn't know where it was But I didn't get /8 money out of. that. 79 0 Okay. Did anybody ever help you do a massage wlt.h 20 `tit 21 A No. asked a :o do it with her and I didn't 22 feel oomfortobIo. 23 0 All right. All right 1e1k to me shoat the third 24 tits you went. 25 A 1 don't remember :t was like kind of always -- WILMA TrOWIT.C.a. EFTA00223406 i• 1i 1 I1 I i4 EFTA00223407  DRAFT Page 13 1 A He came. 2 Q Okay. 1 A Because he was like, made a big sigh of relief 4 like he had been done and he just got right back up and -- 5 Q Do you know where he cane on? was it on the 6 towel? Was it on himself? on the bed or -- 7 A I think it was on the towel like right between his 8 legs probably. 9 Q Okay. An I told you before and L explained to 10 Yolks mom, what he did was wrong, okay? 12 A Uh•huh, 12 Q I want to reassure you on that. Okay? 13 At any point did he ever ask you to leave your 14 phone number or -- 15 A No Ho didn't ask ne for anything. Like I think 16 he asked me my name in the beginning Q Did he know your age? a 17 18 A I don't think -- be did. .4 think he did. 19 Downotaire Yolanda was i6:they askydu hoW 20 oLd are you just say you're 18 Mit he never askedne hOW.O14L 21 1 wae. 22 Q Okay. a 23 A I tkcugbt you had to be a,oertain'ege to manage 24 .eomeone, 25 0 Do you have any formal massage training, EFTA00223408  Page 1 IN RIC: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT 1 VLDSOTAPED INTBRVIRN OP mill I I I r EFTA00223409  DRAFT Page 9 1 Q Okay. All right. When you would go back and do 2 the massage, would it, would it maintain the same or were 3 ,pure things -- 4 A Well, no I mean I would take my jeans oft a lot 5 o£ times or whatever but that was that. I never slept with 6 him, I never did anything to him. Nothing like that, 7 Q Okay I. it safe to ensues that you provided the manage wearing only pantie.? 9 A Yes. 4 10 Q Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 11 he ever touch you? 12 A Like I moan he would like touch my hip or whatever 13 but I mean that, that.° really it 14 0 Okay, 15 A And if I lever like asked, if 2 ever said I wasn't 16 comfortable with it, he's like or I don't went you to touch 17 se, he'd ha like fine. (inaudible., 18 0 Add this ell odeUtred.9thin rolijSere le thiregheJ 19 right) 20 A Vh-hub. I had been 18 for like eight menthe; m4ne 21 uontho already. My birthday's to June eq 1:hadlean:lErfor: a 22 a while. 23 Okay. You're 19 now though right) 24 A Yea. Yea. 25 0 it was about a year ago when you met him. EFTA00223410  I I PROS 1 1 TN RE! JEFFREY EPSTEIN I DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00223411  DRAFT Page 8 1 that's Lt I lust told him -- 2 Q Did be come up hare or did you meet with ham in 3 Florida? 4 P He Came up here. Q Oh, he came up here? 6 A Yeah. 7 Q He met you right here? 8 A Not here. I didn't want to meet. I met hat at 9 Wal-Mart and I just -- he just kept asking mu questions that 10 I didn't know the answer to so 11 Q Was he en investigator? Was he an attorney? 12 A I don't know. I don't think he was an attorney 13 because he kept saying the information he's getting from me 14 is going to go to Jeff's attorney ■ t don't think ho was an 15 attorney. 16 BY DRT80TIVE 17 0 What kind of questions vas he asking? If the 18 police were involved? 19 A Yeah if -- how the police got involved. I said 1 20 I don't know What kind of questions they were asking . I 21 said T don't know because I haven't been questioned yet. 22 And just like bow old I woo when I went there and basically 23 like you guys are aeking what I did when Z went there 24 BY InT8CTIVR RE0A52YI 25 Q —msnemmer.. WOw hom.oldteita you when yon Bitet:erartad.goiag' 1 EFTA00223412  DRAFT Page 9 1 there? 2 A iTightWee'. .14.4iiii;;I: this ii‘O 3 0 March of 'OS, right? 4 A Yeah. And : turned 19 (inaudible) 5 0 And did he question at the same time? g A Did the guy? No- 7 Q Did hi ever? 8 said she didnst want to 9 0 Okay. And he said he wan a representative of 10 Jeffrey Hpatein7 11 A Yes. 12 0 Did he call you or did Jeffrey or -- 13 A No, he called me. This is the number. It's 14 305 -- 15 Q Uh-huh. 16 17 Q Okay. Men eau this you met him? 10 A Like two, three -- it was Friday or Saturday 19 Q Did he come by himself? 20 A Yeah, 21 Q Did he tape the conversation? 22 A No He asked me if he could. I said no. 23 BY DRTRCTIVE RWAREYI 24 0 Okay. If he reaches out to you again, itet give 25 him my number and nava him call me, EFTA00223413  Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF A.Akcn..41 EFTA00223414  DRAFT Page 5 1 A All I had was my undcrmear. 2 0 Just panOm47 3 A res. 4 0 Nu bre? 5 A We 6. g okay.• now b:,ip ard. yoo. now7 Yfoeral. --t tim 20. 8 Q You're 20 Ho-a:Seale mohths.ago y0u.Woridliave 9 been whati-147 / 10 A yeah. 11 Q Well, your birthday is in August. 12 A Oh-huh. 13 ALI right. So July, Aucust you would haee been la ISe 20 On the verge. of 20? b A Vh-huh. it Q II 'gnat else happened when you provided him the 17 massage? 1.6 A that's just .t. Ho had a towel over his privets 19 parts and he was just laying on the table and I was just 20 massaging from his knees dove for about 45 niwites and she 21 said all : had to do was give him a massage for en hot II 22 that's what I did. And then bike ter. mi:nuteS before MR were 23 getting ready to leave to asked her to leave because we wore 24 to the room together and all I had to do was massage hie 25 thost and that's it. He had the towel on him and about five crunpreemenresun ION ••••••••0.41; EFTA00223415 1 EFTA00223416  Page 5 1 might want to give a massage and I said I don't know. Then 2 he asked ro about what I' wanted to do when I grew up and 3 stuff like that and T. asked him what he did and he said he 4 was like a scientist basically. 5 Q Aay.... DidA4444a4kY.Lni'nUw046roU wee?`: 6 .44z4.? 7 Q No : Did Re knoW tliSt'yon- .14eSet.1,7?.. - 8 I :ithnst..-thirilc 9 Q Well it wou1d have been 16 if it was a year ago, 10 sight? 11 A Well it like was almost a year aco. (Inaudible) 12 17. 13 Q Okay. During the naasage did you -- ware you 14 caked or 15 A No. I had my clothes on. 16 0 You had ail your clothes on? 17 A Oh-huh. 18 Q Okay. Did he touch you Ln any way? 19 A He was like kind of like leaning towards it but I 20 was like you could tell I was shy II I think that's why he 21 didn't try. But I heard about other girls that he -- that 22 he got flirtatious with them and he made them take off their 23 clothes and stuff. 4 24 Q Okay. What that was the first time you went, 23 right? .stiotrnwalit.lalaat.....ilialiJidJaal101041.4•11Ma44•Malia•miouteosonnianotaramMAIWASS*Saltruiriea EFTA00223417 C C. EFTA00223418  Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00223419  DRAFT Page 6 1 Q One time. How much did he pay you for that? 2 A $300. 3 Q Okay. All right. He never -- was there ever a 4 time you felt-uncomfortable? 5 A No. Like I'm very comfortable with like he asked 6 me that too and he's like are you uncomfortable and like as 7 weird as it sounds I'm very comfortable with myself II like 8 it didn't really bother me. And I needed the money II, you 9 know, my boyfriend and I were having a hard time ■ I did 10 what I had to do, you know? 11 Q I understand. I understand. That was the only 12 time you ever went? 13 A One time. And I think I dropped her off once and 14 got her an hour later when her car was down or something. 15 Q Okay. And -- 16 A He had like a massage room, like a bed and like he 17 has this 18 Q Massage bed or like a bed bed? 19 A No, like a massage bed. Uh-huh. A massage bed. 20 Q Okay. And where was this? What part of the house 21 was this? 22 A His house is massive. We went in through the 23 kitchen, up the stairs around, ■ it was like I guess 24 towards the front on like the second floor maybe. Maybe 25 over the pool or something like that. ../.0 h. e.F4.0.0.14.... EFTA00223420  Page 1 TN RE: JH'FREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPES INTERVIEW OF I 4.14h.rtu..vb ••••••., 0150, 4 EFTA00223421  DRAFT Page 9 Q Okay. All right. When you would go back and do 2 the massage, would it, would it maintain the same or were 3 more things -- 4 A Well, no. I mean I would take my jeans off a lot 5 of times or whatever but that was that. I never slept with 6 him. I never did anything to him. Nothing like that. 7 Q Okay. Is it safe to assume that you provided the 8 massage wearing only panties? 9 A Yes. 10 Q Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 11 he ever touch you? 12 A Like I mean he would like touch my hip or whatever 13 but I mean that, that's really it. 14 Q Okay. 15 A And if I ever like asked, if I ever said I wasn't 16 comfortable with it, he's like or I don't want you to touch 17 me, he'd b