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</Z3/o" ixict3D-r4 ViltaraiTt\ 3501.000.007 Page I of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090503 EFTA01244755  LAW Or/ ICES Or GERALD B. LEatouirr, P.G. A PROrESSIONAL CORPORATION NEW YORE. NEW YORE 100E1 OE SHEa "`"a r•int A. rrucom•N February 23, 2007 VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida 500 South Australian Avenue, Suite 400 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Re: Jeffrey Epstein Dear Ms. Thank you once again for meeting with us regarding our client, Jeffrey Epstein. As you know, in advance of last Tuesday's meeting we provided you with the recorded interviews of various witnesses taken in the state's investigation. At the meeting, we disclosed that, as part of our own preparation, we made working transcripts of these recordings. You have asked for copies of the transcripts and we have discussed various ways that that might be accomplished without compromising Mr. Epstein's position and rights. To assist in your bringing this investigation to a close, enclosed are highlighted excerpts of the transcripts. The excerpts support our argument that no federal prosecution should be brought in this matter. Please note that these transcripts are drafts and subject to further review and revision. They are provided as a courtesy and in furtherance of our discussions and therefore are not usable by you for any purposes. By accepting these transcripts you agree never to contend that any revisions made thereto compare unfavorably to the drafts provided; nor will you use the drafts otherwise to the detriment of Mr. Epstein. 3501.000-007 Page 2 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090504 EFTA01244756  LAW Orr ICES or GERALD B. LEI:rots-Err, P.C. Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 2 The excerpts fall generally into the following five subject areas and are therefore so arranged in the numbered tabs. Note, the witnesses were not all asked the same questions and therefore, not every witness touched on every subject area we here consider relevantl: Tab I: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to touch, nor did the women in fact touch, his genitals; Tab 2: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to engage, nor did they in fact engage, in sexual intercourse with him; Tab 3: Not only did Mr. Epstein not search out women under the age of 18, but the vast majority of the women from whom he received massages during the period were 18 or older. To the extent the witnesses were asked, they admitted being told that Mr. Epstein would not allow them into his house if they were not 18 and that if they were not 18, they were told (by friends, not by Mr. Epstein or anyone employed by Mr. Epstein) to lie about their age. Again, to the extent they were asked in the interviews, they admitted that, if the subject of age did come up in conversation with Mr. Epstein, those under 18 falsely claimed to him that they were 18; Tab 4: Mr. Epstein did not coerce, threaten or otherwise pressure the women in an effort to force them to do anything; to the extent they were asked, they admitted they understood they could decline to accede to any of Mr. Epstein's requests; and, Tab 5: Prior to going to Mr. Epstein's home, virtually all of the women were apprised of what they would be asked to do or, if they claimed they were not, they had no objection to what occurred, since they either returned to give further massages or they brought others to do so, or both. Of course, irrespective of what any particular witness said at her interview on any particular point, in • many instances fanciful claims are contradicted by the witness herself elsewhere in her statement, by documentary evidence, and/or by other witnesses. Moreover, the witnesses suffer from significant credibility problems based on universally accepted tests for credibility: bias, motive, prior bad acts, etc., some of which we have already previewed in the February I, 2007, letter. 3501.000-007 Page 3 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090505 EFTA01244757 • LAW Or fiat Of GERALD B. LErcouRT, P.C. • Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida • February 23, 2007 Page 3 • Finally. nursuant to your reauest we have included copies of the full working transcripts of the -ecordings. If you have any questions regarding any of the materials we have provided please feel free to contact us. • • CC: Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq. • • • • 1501.000-007 Page 4 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090506 EFTA01244758 • • • 3501.000-007 Page 5 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090507 EFTA01244759 • RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN • • 3501.000-007 Page 6 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090508 EFTA01244760  DRAFT Page 16 1 and that, I don't know, we just don't talk anymore. 2 which was? 3 A 4 and -- 5 I don't know if has ever slept A And III 6 With him. I can't speak for her. But be liked her the 7 most. I don't know why he liked her the most but it was $ always ill'Illisorking for him. And she wouldn't Pat bring 9 girls. Ohs would work for him. 10 Q Now much money do you think she made? 11 A I don't know. She never really -- the first time 12 I brought her she made 200. Alter that I think lobs started 13 making like 300. It's not accurate. Like I can't -- 14 Q The more you do the more you get paid. 15 A Pretty much. 16 Q I know you said that. But -- 17 A Right. I think she made 300 after that I think 1B she started making like 300 19 Q Dose he make the girls touch bin down there? 20 A r don't. know. 21 0 is that part of the message? 22 A It wasn't with me. He never asked me tc touch him 23 ox tondle him. He aver asked as I don't know if he's 24 ever asked the ether girls. It was never really brought up. 1 2S It WAS always him touching than. 3501.000-007 Page 7 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090509 EFTA01244761 • • • • • 3501.000-007 Page 8 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090510 EFTA01244762  RAFT Page 19 1 Q Three hundred. And that .as the last tine you 2 vent? 3 A plods head yes I 4 Q When he touched your breast area, you didn't have 8 e bra on? 6 A I didn't have a bra oa. 7 Q Vet didn't have a bra on. And you buttocks? B A Ch-huh 5 Q Was that over your panties of under your panties: 10 a Like : have a thong on to. 11 0 you hed thongs. Okay All right Did he pull 12 you close to him? 13 A Yeah. 14 Q And all r...nis while he wee mestuxbating? It A (Nods head yes.) 16 Q Cie he have you touch hie.? 17 A HO. 18 Q Aside from the message, touch hiq in his penis 19 area? 20 A Huh-huh. No. 21 Q Did you bring anyone else other -hen -- 22 A 23 0 24 A 2.; 0 Do you know Last rins? 3501.000-007 Page 9 of94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_0011905 II EFTA01244763  Page 1 • IN Rin JEFFREY EPSTEIN • DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVI3li 0? 3501.000-007 Page 10 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090512 EFTA01244764 S DRAFT Page S • 1 Q Right 1 2 A They cover enough They don't show too much 3 Q Okay. You messaged him? • 4 A Oh•huh. 1 5 Q Old he try to touch you in any way? 6 A No 7 0 Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash 1 vibrators? 9 A No. Huh-huh • 10 0 Did he ask you to touch him? 11 A Just to give him a massage. 12 0 I mean 13 A Oh, no. Huh-huh. • 14 Q No? 15 A I would have said no anyways That's gross. 16 0 Okay Did he touch himself? 17 A Yeah 18 Q Okay. And I mean, I mean by toucting himself, did • 19 he masturbate? 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Okay. Co you know if he got to the point where be • 22 climaxed? 23 A He did. 24 0 He did. Mee that the only time: yew ever vent? 2S A ens time. 3501.000-007 Page11of94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090513 EFTA01244765 • ?age 1 • IN KX, JEVYRKY EPSTEIN DRAFT • VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OP • 3501.000-007 Page 12 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090514 EFTA01244766  DRAFT Page 12 • A Okay. 1 My bad 2 Q 1 was writing that quickly, and I was 3 itglekin 4 A Okay. filet's rine. 5 Q All right. was there anybody ever at the house 1 6 that you provided a massage to aside from Jeffrey? 7 A No. No. 8 0 During tha mabaager,-44khe OenAixyou Co touch" 9 him? • 10 A No 11 Q Did be touch himself? 12 A Yes. • 13 Q Would he be just touching almeel£ or would he be 14 masturbating? 16 A He mould masturbate. :6 0 Okay. How would you know that the massage was 17 over? 18 A He would come. • 19 Q He climaxed? 20 A Yeah. 21 0 Again, I've talked to a lot of girls and so tar 22 everything seems to be in the norm, so that's why I'm saying 23 don't, I know it', a little embarrassing. 24 Did you over meet any other girls that came to the 25 house? • 3501.000-007 Page130194 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 000905I5 EFTA01244767 • • • • 3501.000-007 Page 14 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090516 EFTA01244768  DIIAFT Page 12 1 0 Did he ever salt-sou-th tough hill? 2 A No. (InaUdible1 I Vela surprised about,that 3 because he never asked but (inaudible). 4 BY DETECTIVE l= 5 Q Okay Cid you ever see him nude? Baked? 6 A I wasn't paying attention, He got in the shower 7 in front of to but I wasn't paying attention. 4 Q £o you can see -- the shower you could tee from 9 the room? 10 A There wad the shower and then he has like a bath 11 If you come up into his bedroom, I don't really remember. 12 but if you coma into his room there's( a shower. AA you come 13 into the bathroom part there's a shower right here. And 14 then a massage table right bore And then there was a couch 15 %Ding around right here. And the shower (inaudible) he took 16 a shower and he's like feel comfortable end I was like okay. 17 I don't remember if he asked am to take off my clothes, my 18 cop and my bottoms, but I think he did. I'm not sure. 19 have bad memory It was a long time ago. 20 0 Okay So if you minted to look, he would have 21 been naked in front of you) you just made it a choice not to 22 look? 23 A Right. 24 BY DETECTIVE 25 0 Okay 3501000-007 Page 15 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090517 EFTA01244769 • DRAFT 1 MP: DetectNe 2 3 • EMI 4 5 MP ID. 98059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch. Es 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15/05. (Inaudible) Nigh Ridge Famly 7 Center, Sable Palm Schoot 8 UNK: Just High Ridge Family Center. 9 MP: Okay, the High Ridge Family Center. Present also Is.. could you state your name 10 please? 11 12 MP' Spell your name please? 13 11 MP' And your date of birth? 15 • 16 MP: And you are? 17 CS Cathy Back. Family Therapist. 18 MP: Could you spell your name please? 19 KB: K-A-T41-Y B-A-C-K. 20 MP: And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 KB' Yes. 22 MP• Okay. I'm here today. and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in 23 reference to an incident that happened to amend of yours, cr a girl you know. Page 1 of 43 3501.000-007 Page 16 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090518 EFTA01244770  MP: Are you lying about anything? 2■ i'll swear on the bible. 3 MP. Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. • 4 I swear to God. 5 MP' Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 6 i\le, because that's about....notNng else about the whole thing. 7 Mr': So that's it. You did not have any kind of sex with him. 8 Neck no!! I will swear on my mother's grave... 9 MP: You know what having sex with somebody means? • 10 Yes, I know what having sex with somebody means. 11 MP" Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 12 ■ At no time did I touch his penis. 13 MR At any time, did he touch you.... 14 At no time... 15 MR Besides putting his hands... • 10 Besides that, no times did he touch me. 17 MP: And just so I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 18 Yes, I saw him. 19 MP' Okay. And as far es you think.... 20 I think, I know, wet., I couldn't say I know, but Ws the same noises were being 21 made when he was (inaudible). 22 MP: And that's it. I thank you very much This will conclude the interview. The time 23 now by my watch Is approximately 3:05. Page 43 of 43 3501.000-007 Page 17 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090519 EFTA01244771  Page 1 • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN • DRAFT • TA?ED INTERVIEW OF • 3501.000-007 Page IA of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090520 EFTA01244772  1 2 • A Q Yeah. Ckay. 1)1IAFT Page 6 Well. no. :t was the second time that I gave him • a massage. The first time i went up with 5 Q Okay. You wont uostairs with 6 A No, T was in the kitchen. 7 Q You were In the kitchen That was -- you only had 0 two times that you went matte? 9 A Yeah. 10 Q the f_rst tine you didn't do anything but just stt 11 in the kitchen? 12 A Yeah. 13 Q Whc did you sic in the kitchen with? 14 A He had a CODA that was there and he had -- there 15 was -ike two other girls there that :Ave with him. 16 Q Okay. Did yeti message hi.s back? was he naked 17 when yo.: were massaging his? • 10 A Well, he had like a towel around his his Jpper 19 was (inaudible) but ne had like a towel around him. 20 Q Okay. Did he over romovo that towel? 21. A No. 22 Q When you were massaging him he never removed tna 23 Lowe:? 24 A Nu. 25 Q Okay,' estaryo 6" 14 .0*C0.4* 3501.000-007 Page 19 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090521 EFTA01244773  1 private area? 2 A No, No. DRAFT I wouldn't do that. Page 7 3 Q You wouldn't do that? 4 Okay. Did he touch you in your private area? b A No. Ko. 6 0 No. 7 A He kept like staring at re and like, I don't know, 3 1 just felt uncomfortable and I _e±t. aut I heard othar 9 stories that like -- 10 Q Niuhi I'm concerned with you. I know aboat 11 other stories and I've interviewed other people have told me 12 different things. That's why C's trying to find oat what 13 happened to you. Okay? 14 A Oh-huh. 15 Q You're the victim in than so that's why I'm trying 16 to find out what happens to you 17 A Oh-huh. 18 0 Okay? Who took you upstairs to the room? 19 A This 4711-1 that lives with him. 20 Q Okay. So ■ took you ap? 21 A Yes. 22 Q Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? 23 A Nth-huh. There's a massage table and she jest 24 laid a tows,: down and she said that Jeffrey will be ott Co/ 25 This massage. 3501.000-007 Page 20 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090522 EFTA01244774  2 • • 3501.000-007 Page 21 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090523 EFTA01244775  DRAFT 1 MP: Detective Michele Pagan 2 3 KB: Kathy Back 4 MP ID. 98059. reference case number 05-368. The tine now, by my watch, is approximately 8 minutes past 2pm on 3/15/05. (Inaudible) High Ridge Family • 7 Center. Sable Palm School 8 UNK Just High Ridge Family Center. 9 MP: Okay, the High Ridge Family Center. Present also is.. could yOU state your name • 10 plane? 11 12 MP' Spell your name please? 13 14 MP- And your date of birth? 15 18 MP: And you are? 17 CB Cathy Back. Family Therapist. 18 MP. Could you spell your name please? 19 KB: K-A-T-H-V B-A-C-K. 20 MP' And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 KB* Yes. 22 MP Okay. I'm here bday; M, and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, o' a girl you Know. Page 1 of 43 3501.000-007 Page 22 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090524 EFTA01244776  DRAFT I MP: Are you lying about anything? 2 ■ No. IS swear on the bible. 3 MP: Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enuugh forme. 4 swear lo GOO. 5 MPS Okay. Is there anything else you'd ike to talk tome about? 6 ■ No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 7 MP: :SO"'Ings!t• . Yeltr0M no'ISYtiai19:"Mqi iiiikm y - .(wi-fv.,fi: : :144-4 8 keek.no!I twiil sweaA corny meineestrave...: Y • 9 &Of • tOb' Mori vfffahhairinittex Othio.rnebociy:Meiintigi'; , 10 Yes. I know what hiving SenWith somebody tneani- 4.1 11 MP: Okay. You. at ix) time. touched his penis? 12 At no time did I buch his penis. • 13 MP- At any time. did he touch you 14 ■ At no time... 15 MP: Besides putting his hands... 16 ■ Besides that. no times did he touch me. 17 SAP- And just so I can be sure, you sew him whacking off once. 18 Yes, I saw him. 19 MP: Okay. And as far as you think... 20 I Think. I know, well, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same notes were being 21 made when he was (inaudible). 22 FAR And that's ft. I thank you very much. ThIs WO conclude the Interview. The tine 23 now by my watch is approximately 3:05 Page 43 of 43 3501.000-007 Page 23 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090525 EFTA01244777  r, roc • IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT • VIRDOTAFED INTERVIEW OF 3501.000-007 Page 24 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090526 EFTA01244778  DRAFT Page 21 1 A (Shaken head no.) 2 C Okay. ?hip CS3t it baniaally on irrestigation, on 3 ape,. investigation, so r Apprecia7e it Nast we discuss stays 4 her0. Okay? S A JP,-huh. 6 D Don't tell anybody ltat wa, lost we talked. Okay? 7 A Okay. Q Did you.erer hhve-any.inteiceurse with !flea , 9 A No. 10 Q NC oral? • 11 A (Shakos head no.) 12 Q nothing? • 13 A rattling else. 14 0 May. Pm going to show you s group of 15 photographs I'm going to show you a group of six :6 photographs. Okay? I'm trying, trying to ace if this • 17 is it these six photos Okay? it's important that you look 16 at ail nix or them Ltd be sure who you pick as the parson as • 19 Okay? She may or nay not be in those six photos but 20 it's important for you to plot the right nne. *key? 21 A :3h-huh 22 Q Take your time looking at thine six photos there. 23 A I don't see her, 0 She', not it those photos theme? 25 A No 3501.000-007 Page 25 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090527 EFTA01244779 • • • • • • • • • 3501.000-007 Page 26 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090528 EFTA01244780 • 1 MP: DRAFT Defective Michele Pagan 2 3 KB: Kathy Back 4 5 MP #8059, relerence case number05-368. The tine now, by my watch. to 6 aPProxinelely 6 minutes past 2pm on 3:15/05. onsudible) High Ridge Fatly • 7 Center, Sable Palm Scholl. 8 1.194K: Just High Rklge FamllyCenter. 9 MP: Okay, the High Ridge Family Center. Present also Is.. could you stale your name • 1.) 12 MP: Spell your name please? 13 14 Mr And your date of birth? 15 • 18 MP And you are? 17 CB Cathy Back. Family Therapist. 18 MP: Cola you spell you name please? 19 KB: K-A-T-H-Y • 20 Mr. And you're her family therapist? Am I coned? 21 KB' Yes. 22 MP: Okay. Ern here today■and I have staled &lefty why I'm here Is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a fnend of Yours. 0' a Ohl YOU 1010w. Page 1 of 43 • 3501.000-007 Page 27 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090529 EFTA01244781 • MP: DRAFT Okay. After everything was done. okay did he watch you gel dressed? 2■ NO. Cease I was Deena dressed while he was out there getting the E300. I • 3 guess that's what he was doing. That's de on'y thing he Came beck In with. le 4 was still in a towel and stuff. 5 MPi In lie roan, at all, do you think ..and I don't know if there is or not. but do you 6 think there is anything in there that may have recorded what you did? 7 M Oh my gosh.... 8 MP: A video camera... a . Oh my gosh. I didn't think about that. There was lots of pieces there oould have 12 been one because there's pick:res, that mold have been, dont know . it MP: When he walked out.. the reason why I ask is because he walked Out once and '2 then creme back In, richr '3 Yea. 14 MP: SO k Could be Just SO ho coukt whack off. I was just curious. I don'. know if to there is or not 18 ■ if there was. I did not know about It • 17 MP: Okay. So you get dressed. you go downstairs Wise is %al woman toein? 18 . Downstairs taking to Mani the other gin 19 MP. Okay. 20 They were having a conversation MI 21 MP. Okay Ai any time. did he speak to you or does he know how old you are. did he 22 know how od you were? 23 eke y. Yes. And. as a matter of fact.. told meto say I was 18•.because Page 38 cf 43 3501.000-007 Page 28 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090530 EFTA01244782  DRAFT 1 id tell him you'll is bdt'atisif yetire not. newontlet ythaeles.house 2 So I saki he was MS M I waiugifree massage he Wes Okra how ofd are- • 3 you. And then in/41M But•tkinded *Oddmalty-far because I dein't wanttu 4 make a sound Illte1 was lying eianYthhg. S MP- So whet other things did he ask you? 6 Um. how I know. what school I wont to. 7 MP• Old you tell him what school you went to? a ■ Yeah but I told him-Weltngton. 1000 Stare Royet.Palin. MP Oki he a you skid cinideLyou ssensketeilit yoU telt Nm-Whit Wide you nekre 10 In? 11 ■ Yeah. he was Ilke whet gradeare.yOu In? Because-I told him I was In 12" Veda '2 stll. 13 PAP: Okay. 4A ■ Because I !Ole him I watt° so I hed to... 15 MP: So you told him you were in 12" grade? Yee. 17 MP: Are you sum? 18 ■ Yes 19 MP- Okay. What else lid you talk about? 20 ■ Urn. that's about it. And he was kind of es king me like how I knew. is 21 Woe to me end then he told me how he knew. end he wee like.. I was 22 kind of like, how do you kno. Cause I brought te the ccovereation. He • 23 said well I knoMbeceuee she's been working for ma fora long timo. And Page 30ot 43 • 3501.000-007 Page 29 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA 00090531 EFTA01244783 • 3501.000-007 Page 30 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090532 EFTA01244784  DRAFT Page 9 1 BY DETECTIVE 2 Q You said be used the vibrator but where did be use 3 it? Micro did he touch you with it? 4 A Tn wy lever area 5 Q Your lower ana? Below your waist? 6 A (Inaudible.) 7 BY DETECTIVE e Q Okay. tow long did he keep the vibrator on? 9 A A few seconds Nei long It wasn't Long. 10 Q Okay. Did you tell him you didn't like that or -- 11 A No. I told his -- I didn't tell tie no and I 12 didn't tell hiss that I wasn't contestable I wasn't 13 comfortable but T didn't tell bin that Mel like I said, I • 14 made the money that day se. 15 Q Did yin: guys distance enysbing? 16 A Nub-huh 17 2 Did ha ask you your Age) 10 A Yeah. I toldhimIsea 18 19 Q You told hie you vets 18? Okay. Did he want you 20 to come back? 21 A Be said he would lave if I ease back OOMatiMO but 22 I never went back. 23 Q You never went book. You only went on time 24 What was Yolanda and Vanessa doing when you were 25 apetalre? II • 3501.000-007 Page 31 of94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090533 EFTA01244785 • • 9. TN FP: .1115FREY Et•SILIN DRAFT VI nlq,;17,051, :N:612ViEW 01" I 3501 000-007 Page 32 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090534 EFTA01244786 • • DRAFT Page 12 or ho dlde•c ears? 2 a I don't think he mired. Vs told re the Younger 3 the better. • 4 0 the younger the hector, all right 5 • Pretty inch that's bow it worked Rs didn't 6 let se just pet it this way, be -- I tried to bring hie. I 7 tried to billow hies woman lobo sea 13 and he didn't really e like it 9 Q Rs didn't go for tel 10 A It's not that ha didn't go for it. It'e just that It be didn't ears for it And hs like. the 91t1s that are 12 between the ages of Ilk. Is and 20 13 Q Okay 18 A But mostly the girls I -- think seed of them lie 15 about their age. I know that when L started oft young 26 think he know better to be:lover* I think ks know that I 17 as younger, like 37, bit I told tin■ that I vas like II le Q Okay 19 A Mose-of the girls lied when they 90 in there. 20 42 Right because she was II.. 21 A rah. 'bet ot that betters lied. 22 0 nos do you contact him? now do you know when he's 23 in town and stuff like that' 21 A sells we 25 0 Oh, ells you7 3501.000-007 Page 33 of 94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090535 EFTA01244787  Pagel IN REt ..7EFrREY EPSTEIN • DRAFT VTRTATAPED INTERVIPX Or • 3501.000-007 Page34of94 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and 17 EFTA_00090536 EFTA01244788  Pegs 14 1 A tech $'.00 mole just to take my shirt otf. 2 Q Okay. And you said you didn't do 3 A No. 4 Q Okay. std he masturbste or the seeene tine^ 5 A Yeab. 6 g And d_d he, ever clLaos? 7 A Actually tne second tiro like it wacnsl that bad 8 brieaise he was like on the phone all the time and so he 9 wasn't paying attention to what we: going on 10 Q Did he ever at any point masturbate the second 11 tie*? 12 A we. wot that I remember 13 Q C16 he ever ask yor any :Noer/Ona or speak to you 14 cx aaa you anything? :5 A Well, he tiled to talk vo yet just to nako you 16 con£ortable with the situit1On like wee-e in you work and 17 li