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From: Joscha Bach <joscha.bach@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 2:59 PM
To: Jeffrey Epstein
Subject: Re: Joscha Bach
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Dear Jeffrey,
Thank you!
The Canonical Computation in Brains and Machines symposium (here at NYU) =s really worth it, the highlight was Yann
LeCun today, explaining how =earning is mostly not working on actual real-world data but on =redictive simulations (so
we anticipate being hit by a car and learn =rom that, instead having to try it).
Yesterday's highlight was a coffee break conversation with Jean-Remi =ing, a member of Dehaene's lab, about
consciousness. They have a very =ober perspective, neither the misidentification of descriptive brain =cans with the
processes that must be implemented, nor the bright lunacy =f the Hameroff crowd.
Regardless, last year's Science of Consciousness conference triggered a =umber of insights for me. Especially, I began to
understand what =enrose and Hameroff and Tagg and Tononi are trying to achieve. Their =rojects are doomed, I think,
because they all make mechanistic theories =f a domain that they consider to be not computational (consciousness
=annot be mechanical they think), but I see why they have no choice but =o try anyway. No computational model can
explain consciousness =appening in real-time and actuality, so they must be looking for a meta =omputational system,
which unfortunately also must be outside the realm =f formal theorizing, I think. Conversely, Dehaene, Frankish,
Dennett, =raziano and Drescher (and me) don't think that consciousness does =appen in actuality, but is essentially just
a memory of experiences =hat did not necessarily happen, so it is much easier to explain.
I got invited to participate in a panel on this year's Science of =onsciousness in Tucson, and they also accepted my talk
on meta =omputation. Are you planning to come this year?
ā Joscha
> On Mar 18, 2018, at 10:37, jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com> wrote:
> you can purchase tickets for him just not for his family
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Lesley Groff < > =rote:
> Below from Joscha Bach Re we will not be purchasing him tickets to =onference in Tucson:
> No problem at all. Was he opposed to me presenting at the Science of =onsciousness Conference?
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