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Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Page 11 of 23 I In a roundabout yes. In so many ways, Jeffrey really really had to train me, and that was why Ghislaine said that she and Jeffrey enjoyed me so much was because they never really had to speak much to me to tell me what they wanted me to do. You know, I wasn't waiting for you know, their directions. Jeffrey would tell me to go give an erotic massage to friends. He wouldn't give me much detail about it, but he would say to treat them like you treat me. JS: Did he refer to it as an erotic massage or are those your words? a Erotic massage is my words. That's exactly what it was, but he would tell me to treat them how he wanted it, so I'd do what he wanted without having to say to me words more. I mean, I complied with what he wanted because it was somewhat of a, I don't know, I don't know how to say it, it was just very mindboggling how I let him have so much control or power over me basically. The massages would be routine to what Jeffrey wanted with my so called new clientele, and with their own words would ask me to provide them with sexual pleasure after the massage. JS: Did you ever report back to Jeffrey about what happened when you provided massages to U Of course, of course, and I knew that his friends were reporting back to him as well because there were times where he would instigate conversation by saying you know, so and so had a great time, you did wonderful, you know so and so gave me a call and told J.E how it went ... JS: Did Jeffrey ever elicit details from you? "Tell me what happened, describe in detail what went on?" U No, but he would have a laugh, he had a laugh with me a few times about some of their different mannerisms, I guess you would say, like some of them, one guy had a foot fetish and that was really weird and I mentioned it to Jeffrey, and we would have a laugh over it. He didn't want to know details. He wasn't asking me "so tell me what did you guys do exactly." No, he just basically gave me a slap on the back and said, you know, good job. And we had some kind of conversation about it. I can't recall any conversation off the top of my head. I really don't know one. It's been that long. But yeah, we did talk about it briefly. JS: Can you give me an estimate as to the number of friends for whom Jeffrey provided and paid for your services? I: There was about, you know, I don't know, 8 guys possibly. JS: And are you able to name those people for me? EFTA00614110 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Page 12 of 23 I: No, not at this stage. I just, some of these people are really influential in power, and I don't want to start another shitstorm with a few of them. I'll tell you that there was some erotic massages given to, I'm just afraid to say it to you. JS: Ok, I: It's like geez, I don't know if I want to, I'm really scared of where this is gonna go. JS: Alright. I understand that, and as I told you from the beginning, if I ask you a question that you are uncomfortable answering, you just tell me that, and I will move on, and I understand that at least right now, you are uncomfortable answering, and I am certainly going to respect that. I: Thank you so much, Jack. JS: No, that's quite alright. I am very appreciate of the cooperation you are providing, and I don't want you at any time to feel that we are taking unfair advantage of that cooperation, so give me the information that you're comfortable giving me, and if we get to a point where you're uncomfortable, I will respect that and we'll move on from there. Ok. 35: I want to talk a little bit about the traveling that you did with Jeffrey. About how long into your relationship with him did that first start? I: Immediately. I started traveling immediately. Not internationally until I think about, Gosh, I can't remember even, I think it was a year later that we started doing international travel. Maybe like 9 months to a year again. Not too sure to be honest. JS: So that would have been approximatel Somewhere around there? I: Yes. Somewhere around there. Somewhere around a year, somewhere around there, I can't pinpoint it exactly. But like I said, we started doing domestic traveling immediately, so my first destination with him was New York and Santa Fe and the Carribean, California, I would take trips with him occasionally. Sometimes we would go to St. Louis or New Orleans or Santa Cruz. We were traveling just about everywhere I think. JS: How did you travel? Well, we took Jeffrey's private jet, and unless I was being sent somewhere by myself for what we were just talking about before, then I would travel on a what do you call, a public jet, whatever it is... JS: commercial flight? EFTA00614111 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Page 13 of 23 Yes. Just a normal flight, an e-ticket. JS: Like the rest of us common folk. But when 1 was traveling with Jeffrey, the majority of the time would be on the black jet. JS: Now, when you say there would be times when you would travel by yourself because he was sending you somewhere, tell me about that. How did that come about? I So, one of his colleagues would be at the Carribean or Santa Fe or even New York, or wherever, and he would call me up on those days where I am not working with him or in Palm Beach with him, and he would ask me to get on the next plane to so and so and go meet so and so, and that's when I would take e-tickets. His secretary or special assistant, whatever, would organize it for me and give me the details and I would just walk up the line and they'd let me right through. JS: Can you give me any ideas as to how many times it happened that Jeffrey would send you off to meet some friend of his at some location outside of Palm Beach? I: How many times it happened? I'm not too sure. Probably about 10-15 times. JS: Ok. And on those occasions, how much time would you spend with one of Jeffrey's friends when you were sent to a location that you would have to travel to? I: Only a couple of days. Only 2 days, that's it. JS: And how were you paid for those trips? I would be paid in cash upon my arrival back with Jeffrey. So, whenever I was back with Jeffrey, he would count up how many days I've had, sometimes give me even more than what I deserved, not deserved, but what I earned and give me a little extra. JS: Was there a daily rate for those trips or was that per massage also? I: Per massage. With Jeffrey, I would be honest. I wouldn't tell him I did 15 massages if I didn't He knew he could trust me. He could always come back to the other person that he sent me to give massages and ask them as well, so you know, it was always by per massage. JS: Alright. When we've been talking about massages, tell me exactly what it is we're talking about when we speak about massages. I: Same thing I would do to Jeffrey. Again, it would start out as a massage, which would start with them being naked, and me giving him a legitimate massage to begin with, so EFTA00614112 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview want Page 14 of 23 I'd start with his feet, go up to his calves, up his legs, buttocks, back, his neck, his head, his arms, yada yada, and then it would be time to flip over, and some of the men would want me to continue on massaging the front side of them and they would instigate me to begin having sex with them or foreplay, whatever you want to call it. JS: So routinely, these massages involved sexual activity. Is that accurate? That is accurate. JS: Ok. Let's talk about the travel that you were involved in when you were on Jeffrey's private plane. Generally speaking, who were the passengers on the plane when you traveled. 1: Well, Larry was the pilot, and then there was a short, small solid guy, I don't know his name, but he was a co-pilot, and then he changed and there was another guy brought in n. Generally speaking, there was always Jeffrey, sometimes Ghislaine, sometimes Ai , sometimes a whole bunch of other girls, sometimes famous people, sometimes some politicians or yeah, just about anybody could fly on his plane. There was never no any set routine who would come and who would go. It was an influx of people on Jeffrey's airplane. JS: I want to deal with these things separately in order to respect some of the reservations that you have, so I'm going to ask you who the people were that you remember flying with Jeffrey on his plane when you were personally present without regard to whether there was any sexual activity that occurred on the plane or not. So I'm not asking you to implicate any of these famous people in improper conduct, but just tell me what the names of the people are that you remember that you consider to be famous people. e: Ok, there was Naomi Campbell, Heidi Klum, there was Bill Clinton. There was Al (7) Gore, there was a whole bunch of models, I wouldn't really honestly be able to give their names. There was Matt Owning the producer of the simpons cartoon, Jack CCousteau's granddaughter a lot of interior designers, architects, politicians. I am just trying to think of as many names as possible for you. Off the top of my head, that's as good as I can get for now. JS: Ok, alright, that's fine. And again, I am not implying by my questions, nor do I want your answers to be interpreted as your suggesting that any of those people that you have just identified were engaged in any improper activities on any particular flight, but I want to talk to you now about what went on on occasion on the airplane. Ok? Ok. It was a lot of the same thing that went down on the ground. A lot of times, it would be just be me and Jeitrigyasm eu ad Jeffrey and Ghislaine, or me and Jeffrey and some other girl, sometime. There would be sexual conduct, there would be foreplay, there was a bed in there, so we could basically reenact exactly EFTA00614113 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with a Page 15 of 23 what was happening in the house. It would start off with massaging or we would start off with foreplay, sometimes it would lead to, you know, orgies. JS: Were there occasions when you were in Jeffrey's company, whether on the ground or hi the air, where there were other girls present whom you knew to be under age 18? Yes. There was a constant influx of girls coming in and going out. And we were all very young. On occasion, there was some older girls, and I don't mean older as in like in their 30s or anything, I mean like 28, 29, something like that, just very rarely. The majority of the girls that Jeffrey actually met or had on his plane or in his house were under age. JS: Do you know how it is that Jeffrey established with any of these underage girls? Yes, I do. He would send me personally or with other girls to clubs or shops, to _pick up anywhere, I mean we were constantly on the look for other girls that might satisfy Jeffrey. JS: What instructions were you given about what to look for? Young, pretty, you know, a fun personality. They couldn't be black. If they were any other descent other than white, they had to be exotically beautiful. That was just about it. JS: Who gave you those criteria? They both gave us the instructions, and it wasn't just me, Jeffrey asked most girls to bring a friend and make extra money. They would use us young girls So that way it probably looked a lot more safer to a girl that we were procuring to younger girls that were already doing it. That was the way that Jeffrey had it. JS: Were you given any instruction at all on how to approach these girls? I Yes. Jeffrey and Ghislaine both taught me to, depending on the circumstances, depending on the girl, you could offer them a job as a massage therapist or you could tell them you have a really rich friend with, you know, great contacts in the acting world or modeling world and he loves pretty girls, you should come back and meet him, make some money, you know, we had a whole bunch of ways to be able to procure girls. JS: Can you give me any idea as to the total number of underage girls that you know engaged in sexual conduct with Jeffrey during the period of time you had your relationship with him? a I would have no way of estimating that whatsoever. I mean, there could be a hundred, there could be more, honestly I'm not too sure how mantis, really. I wish I did know. I mean like I said there were so many over the course of ears with Jeffrey. EFTA00614114 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with M= Page 16 of 23 JS: Let me see if we can try to narrow it down a little bit. Is there any doubt in your mind that it was more than 10? I Yes, there was definitely more than 10. JS: Ok, what I want you to do is to give me the highest number that you are comfortable in saying there were definitely more than X number of underage girls that I know Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sex with while I had a relationship with him. How would you fill in that blank? Definitely more than how many? I I'd say definitely more than a hundred. JS: Alright. Did Jeffrey ever help to pick out your clothes? I Oh yes. I mean he wasn't out to dress me like a porn star or anything. He would always dress me very classy, but we'd just go shopping all the time together. JS: Did he ever express any style preferences in terms of how he wanted you to dress? Besides dressing classy, I'm, you know, any other suggestion to you about how he wanted you dressed? I He didn't, like I said, wasn't trying to dress me in any prostitute way or anything like that. It was nice, classy outfits I was wearing like Gucci, Dolce Gabbana, Chanel, things like that. He was buying me a lot of very, very nice clothing. It was provocative. I mean I was wearing miniskirts, and tight short shorts and little shirts that showed my belly and my cleavage and everything, but they were very expensive clothes. JS: Was there every any dress up role playing? • Yes. There was. Lots of it. Jeffrey loved the latex outfits Ghislane had for us girls, he had bondage outfits, he had all different kinds of outfits, but his favorite was the schoolgirl. JS: Tell me about that. • Well, you know, Ghislaine would take me to dress me up to surprise J.E or Jeffrey would ask me to get dressed up, that would include wearing a tiny little skirt with nothing underneath, a white collared shirt that you would be wearing to school with a tie in it, tied up __in a bow, my hair in pigtails, stockings on up to my knees, and I would go in there and act like a kid and we'd do role playing sexing. JS: Did Jeffrey ever brag to you about the age of any of the girls with whom he had relationships? EFTA00614115 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with *=5= Page 17 of 23 Yes, he did. He did all the time. The worst one that I heard from his own mouth was this pretty 12 year old girls he had flown in for his birthday. It was a surprise birthday gift from one of his friends and they were from France. I did see them, I did meet them. Jeffrey bragged afterwards after he met them that they were 12 year olds and flown over from France because they're really poor over there, and their parents needed the money or whatever the case is and they were absolutely free to stay and flew out. Those were the worst ones. He was constantly bragging about girls' ages or where he got them from or their past and how terrible their past was and good he is making it for them. JS: Where were the 12 year old girls flown to from France? Where did they come to? I Palm Beach. JS: And were they flown in on Jeff's private plane or did they get transported? I No. They were transported by somebody else. JS: Ok. Was the sexual activity that went on on the airplane conducted in such a way so that any of the crew was aware of what was going on? They were told to knock if they had to come out, if the crew had to come out. They were told, you know, to come out as little as possible, so they weren't out there hanging out watching everything, no, but it doesn't take an idiot to put two and two together to say well there's a whole bunch of half dressed teenagers on board with this old man who is constantly being massaged by them and he wants me to keep the door shut for what reason? I mean, only they could put that together, but yeah, they knew. JS: Did Mr. Epstein ever talk to you about people of power and influence owing him favors? He would laugh about it, you know, I never really knew what to take serious from Jeffrey because he was such a funny character at times. You never knew if what he was saying was true or not. Yeah, lots of people owed him favors from what he told me. He's got everybody in his pocket, and he would laugh about he helps people for the sole purpose in the end they owe him something. That's why I believe he does so many favors in the first place. JS: When and how did you first become aware that Mr. Epstein was in trouble with the law? I was first informed by, I think someone from the FBI called me first and started to ask me questions, and I started to answer the questions but then fear took over, and I just said look, I don't know what's going on, you know, please don't bother me about s again, an it was re s o simple converse ion, and within a week or 2, I had gotten a call from Jeffrey's attorney, and then a week later, Jeffrey himself. EFTA00614116 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Page 18 of 23 JS: Ok, well let's back up before we get to those conversations and tell me approximately when it was that you were contacted by the person who you believe was with the FBI. Ok. It's hard for me to pinpoint, if I had to pinpoint it, it would be in 2007 sometime. JS: Alright. n=ill iat that time, correct? Correct. JS: You were contacted by telephone? That's correct, by my cell phone. Ok and do you have any idea how your name came up leading to that contact • No idea. No idea whatsoever. When I did ask, I was told that some girls had revealed my name, I guess, and that's how everybody, the FBI knew to contact me. JS: OK. II But I don't know offhand or sorry, I just walked into the wrong room. IS: Ok. ■ Sony go on. JS: Yes & I'll never tell her you said that. how long was it after that phone call from the FBI person were you contacted birillpstein's lawyers. I Like a week. It was back to back to each others I remember being so scared after talking to the FBI thinking what's happening, what's going on. It's been like a that stage, how did they find me & what do I have to do with this? So yeah, I do remember that very well, and it was only about a week later I was called by his attorney. IS: Who was it that contacted you, do you remember? I want to say Bill Riley, but he might have been from the FBI. No, it was Bill Riley. Bill Riley. Not sure if that's his correct name, but that's what is coming to mind JS: What do you remember about that conversation? I remember a Mr. Goldberger as well, I remember, there might have been two of them. JS: Alright EFTA00614117 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview with a Page 19 of 23 I I can't remember which one it was. I want to say Bill Riley is the good one. JS: Alright, so either Bill Riley or a Mr. Goldberger or both of them contacted you, and what do you remember about that? I don't know if it was the same guy who contacted me that week later who put me in touch with Jeffrey. I think he was on the phone and he put speakerphone on with Jeffrey. So he connected me with Jeffrey. I don't know if it was the same guy or different, but I definitely know that Bill Riley was the first guy to contact me. I'm pretty sure about that. JS: Ok. Tell me about that conversation. He asked me what I knew about what's going on with Jeffrey and apparently, there was an investigation being held about some of the girls who had come out and said that Jeffrey had sexual contact with them under the age of a minor and that he was discrediting lot of these girls and making them out to be drug addicts and prostitutes and what have you so they wouldn't be looked upon as worthy in the court's eyes so to speak. And you know, he told me in the fast five minutes that, you know, if I stay quiet, that "I'll be looked after" . And that was the exact way it was said. It wasn't like you know, I'm gonna pay you a zillion dollars or anything if you be quiet, but if I stay quiet, I would "looked after". And I remember saying I do ' with this. You know, this is not something I want to be a part of, I wish the best for everybody in this, you know, take care kind of thing. A weer later, was called after the hearing by one of Jeffrey's lawyers. I can't tell you exactly which one it was but he had Jeffrey on the other line and he connected Jeffrey and I, and Jeffrey tried to make some simple conversation, "How are you? How have things been?' You know what I mean, catching up. JS: Do you know if the lawyer, did the lawyer stay on the line while Jeffrey was speaking to you? I I'm pretty sure he did. That's why I think Jeffrey was on speaker phone because it sounded a lot different, and I was never taken off the line to begin with or connected to another line, so I was pretty sure Jeffrey was on speaker phone and the lawyer was making the call. After the simple conversation, it led to what was going on again and you know, Jeffrey couldn't believe it. You know, he thought he helped all these girls out. He didn't think he was wrong in any circumstance here at all. A lot of these girls were drug addicts and just after drug money. You know, he was really putting down these women or these girls I should say, not giving them the credit they deserved, and then he exactly repeated what the lawyer said the week before is that he would look after me if I stayed quiet, and if I need any help, you know, his lawyers would represent me and he would get elo for me, whatever I need. he would do, and I told him exactly, I said, "Jeffrey, I'm away from everything there, I don't want to be a part of it. I'm not going to speak to anybody and I don't want to speak to anybody, I don't want to be involved." That was the last time I heard from him. And the EFTA00614118 M s adv. Epstein Telephone interview will Page 20 of 23 next thing I knew, I was sent my victim's letter, my notification of being a victim through the US Attorney's Office and that's when I knew it was well out there enough not to have Jeffrey's lawyers come back on me and discredit me in the same way he had done to all the other girls. So, I called up Joseph Bird who was the recommended lawyers on my paperwork that they had given me and started going from there. JS: So you contact Mr. Joseph Bergs' office and then you were dealing with his office from that point forward. That's correct. JS: Tell me about the ending of your relationship with Jeffrey. That is, at what point in time did your full time employment end and how did that happen? Ok. So it hadn't reall ended. I walked away from it all. Jeffrey sent me to Thailand and About -mon is prior to that, he came up witIn propoMt that I thou t was liMilr y disgustingly sick. And it really showed me for the first time in 4 years I had been with him that nothing was going to change and I was always just going to be used by him(?) which I did not like. He offered me a mansion and some of his money every month, I forget what he called it, a monthly income of what he made to bear one of his children. The proposition was that if anything ever happened between Jeffrey and I, that I would have to sign my child over to him basically and that the child would be his and Ghislaine's, and I would be looking after it as long as nothing happened between Jeffrey and L So, I was kind of freaked out by all of that I pushed Jeffrey more to please get me some more training, you know, and I was getting older and not of as much interest to e an I was 19 now, and he likes a female a lot younger. So he sent me to I was first supposed to meet a girl there and bring her back with me, •ut never met up with her. I proceeded get a short course in Mrnass e so that was to shut me up about my training so I went there, and one of my friends _invited me to watch a fight, like a mua thaifi which is like a form kickboxing. So I went and watched it, and anti m sorry, t m never coming back. I thought he'd wish the best for me but he was kind of rude and be just said "have a good life" and hung up the phone, and that was the last time I'd talked to him ever until all this started again. JS: Ok. is there anything else that you would like to add to what you have told us up to this point in time? I'd like to know that this time around something's going to be done about it and that Jeffrey and a lot of his colleagues, no matter how rich they are, will know that there is EFTA00614119  adv. Epstein Telephone interview wan Page 21 of 23 law and that there is people that still believe in it. So that's it. Thank you guys for listening to me, hearing me out and helping me. It's kind of hard to get through. IS: Thank you very much. Yes, I'm sure it has been very difficult and I am very appreciative of the courage you have shown in doing what you have done, which really brings me to the last subject, and that is what was it that motivated you to go public with all of this? She told me a lot about what was still going on, and she showed me a picture of Jeffrey with a little girl who looks like she could have been 12 years old. I mean it was disgusting. I agreed to talk with her, I never agreed to do anything until she showed me some pictures, and at that stage, being and knowing all of this, and knowing that he's still out there doing the same exact thing with no regrets, no remorse, no worry about what he's doing to those girls, and all those girls feeling the same way that I did, so I, you know, I'm doing it because I believe in my heart of hearts it's the right thing to do. It's what I would want somebody to do for my daughter or my sister or my friend, and it saddens me to know that it's still going on right now. It's like the seashell story. I don't know if you're heard the story about the little kid who throws back a starfish, you know, the little brother tries to ask his sister, "why do you throw them in, they're all gonna die anyways, the little girl says "well, it's this one that I can help, and this one that I can help," and that's what I feel like I'm doing. I'm making a small dent in this big world we live in. JS: I certainly appreciate that courage, and I have heard that story, and you're absolutely right, that one person may not be able to make a difference for everyone, but one person can make a difference for someone, and hopefully, you are making a difference for someone, and we're gonna do the best we can to make sure you are making a difference for as many people as possible. Thanks Jack. IS: Just a few other follow up things I want to ask you and again, if any of these questions are questions that you're uncomfortable in responding to, then don't hesitate to tell me that. Do you have any recollection of Jeffrey Epstein's specifically telling you that "Bill Clinton owes me favors"? Yes. I do. It was a laugh though. He would laugh it off. You know, I remember asking Jeffrey what's Bill Clinton doing here kind of thing, and he laughed it off and said well he owes me a favor. He never told me what favors they were. I never knew. I didn't know if he was serious. It was just a joke. JS: Where was here? EFTA00614120 Edwards adv. Epstein Telephone interview whine Page 22 of 23 1: He told me a long time ago that everyone owes him favors. They're all in each other's pockets. JS: When you say you asked him why is Bill Clinton here, where was here? On the island. JS: When you were present with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton on the island, who else was there? is Ghislaine,M, and there was 2 your girls that I could identify. I never really knew them well anyways. It was just 2 girl IS: And were all of you staying at Jeffrey's house on the island including Bill Clinton? I: That's correct. He had about 4 or 5 different villas on his island separate from the main house, and we all stayed in the villas. JS: Were sexual orgies a regular occurrence on the island at Jeffrey's house? Yes. JS: If we were to take sworn testimony from the people I am going to name, and if those people were to tell the truth about what they knew, do you believe that any of the following people would have relevant information about Jeffrey's taking advantage of underage girls? So I'll just name a name, and you tell me yes if they told the truth, I think they'd have relevant information or no, I don't think they would, or I don't know whether they would or not. Ok? You understand? Yes. JS: Ok. Les Wexner. I think he has relevant information, but I don't think he'll tell you the truth. JS: Ok. Alan Dershowitz. I: Yes. JS: David Copperfield. Don't know. JS: Tommy Matola. EFTA00614121  adv. Epstein Telephone interview with Page 23 of 23 1 Don't know. JS: Prince Andrew. 1 Yes, he would know a lot of the truth. Again, I don't know how much he would be able to help you with, but seeing he's in a lot of trouble himself these days, I think he might, so I think he may be valuable. I'm not too sure of him. JS: Ok. I think that's all I have for you. Let me tell you what I would like to do. As I told you in the beginning of this conversation, we've been recording it, and hopefully, we've got a clear enough recording so that we've taken down everything accurately and when it's transcribed, it will be clear and accurate, but what I would like to do is transcribe it, send it to you, have you take a look at it, and if there's anything that we got wrong in the statement, you can write back and you can make changes in the transcript so that the transcript is accurate. Is that fair? • No worries. That is fair. No problem. JS: Alright, great. I really do appreciate that and tell me what the best way is to send the transcript to you. Email. If you just want to send it by email or if you want to send it by mail, either or. JS: Ok. Give me your email address if you would please. JS: Let me read that back to you: Yep that's it. BE: Thank you Jenna, appreciate it. • No problem, Brad. JS: Thank you very very much. Bye Bye now. • Take care Jack. Nice meeting you. JS: You too. •Redaction has been made at the request of the witness. EFTA00614122