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From: MARK TRAMO
To: GIGI LOUISA JOHNSON
Cc: mikdruml
Bcc: jeevacation@gmail.com
Subject: Re: New auditory illusion?
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 01:35:56 +0000
Thanks, Gigi!
Hi Mike -
Following up on Gigi's email it: Brian and National Geographic Brain Games -
Which of the two words do you hear? Laurel or Yanny?
Might you be available Thursday or Friday to discuss via Skype? Would love to hear what you have in mind.
Also, there are a few auditory illusions that would be cool to synthesize and play for the show - two of which I
corresponded with former colleague George Martin about because two of his Beatles orchestrations had effects
similar to two created in laboratories a few yrs earlier by psychologist Roger Shepard at Stanford and composer
Jean-Claude Risset in France.
Cheers,
Mark
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:53 PM, GIGI LOUISA JOHNSON <gigijohnsoMa LIC la.edu> wrote:
Connecting Mark and Mike.
Gigi
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:33 PM MARK TRAMO < > wrote:
Cool! - Thanks, Gigi :-)
- do you happen to have email handy?
- I'm polling The Institute for Music & Brain Science Advisory Board. What do you hear?
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:23 PM, GIGI LOUISA JOHNSON wrote:
Did you email back with Brian? I though it would be good for you to potentially get visibility on the brain science side of
this.
Mike Shapiro is helping him recreate it technically. This was a big Meme back in May, with WAY too much press
coverage back then:
https://www.nytimes.cotrilinteractive/2018/05/16/upshot/audio-clip-yanny-laurel-debate.html
https:/hvww.vox.corn/2018/5/15/17357684/yanny-or-laurel-audio
http://time.com/5278817/yanny-or-laurel-audio-clip-debate/
https://www.wired.com/storytyanny-and-laurel-true-history/
Gigi
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On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 4:20 PM MARK TRAMO < wrote:
Greetings, friends and colleagues -
Have you seen/heard this "illusion"?
hups://www.theguardian.com/technologyanay/16/yanny-or-laurel-sound-illusion-sets-off-ear-
splitting-arguments
There's a Natl Geo producer in Boston who is interested in covering this and trying to create a new
one.To me, it's tunambiguously "Laurel". What do you here?
Best,
Mark
Mark Jude Tramo, MD PhD
Dept of Neurology, David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
Dept of Musicology, UCLA Herb Alpert School of Music
Director, The Institute for Music & Brain Science
Co-Director, University of California Multi-Campus Music Research Initiative (UC MERCI)
http://www.BrainMusic.org
http://merci.ucsd.edu
Gigi Johnson, EdD
Exec. Director, UCLA Center for Music Innovation
Faculty. Music Industry Program. UCLA Herb Alpert School of Music
innovation.schoolofmusic.ucla.edu
626.603.2420
Mark Jude Tramo, MD PhD
Dept of Neurology, David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
Dept of Musicology, UCLA Herb Alpert School of Music
Director, The Institute for Music & Brain Science
Co-Director, University of California Multi-Campus Music Research Initiative (UC MERCI)
http://www.BrainMusic.org
http://merci.ucsd.edu
Gig Johnson, FAD
Exec. Director, UCLA Center for Music Innovation
Faculty, Music Industry Program, UCLA Herb Alpert School of Music
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innovation.schoolofmusic.ucla.edu
626-603-2420
Mark Jude Tramo, MD PhD
Dept of Neurology, David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
Dept of Musicology, UCLA Herb Alpert School of Music
Director, The Institute for Music & Brain Science
Co-Director, University of California Multi-Campus Music Research Initiative (UC MERCI)
http://www.BrainMusic.org
http://merci.ucsd.edu
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