DOJ-OGR-00007253.pdf

--- Page 1 --- **Document Header** * Case Number: 1:20-cr-00330-PAE * Document Number: 467 * Filed Date: 11/15/21 * Page Number: 74 of 158 **Transcript Header** * LBAAMAX3ps * Rocchio - Direct **Transcript Text** 1. tactics and strategies of the grooming process, that would 2. preclude or require that those strategies be utilized for the 3. sexual gratification of the person who's doing the grooming as 4. opposed to a third party. And my answer to that question is 5. no. 6. THE COURT: OK. So you don't have an opinion on 7. whether the presence -- let me just get the language -- the 8. presence of a third -- of another individual can facilitate 9. sexual abuse of minors. 10. THE WITNESS: To the extent that we know that 11. offenders do put themselves in situations where they're more 12. likely to be viewed as trustworthy, surrounding themselves with 13. individuals who a child or an intended victim might trust is 14. going to increase the child's trust, perhaps. 15. THE COURT: Is there any literature that you can point 16. to that goes from that sort of broad statement about 17. trustworthiness to the inclusion of a third individual in order 18. to build that trust, any literature that you can point to that 19. suggests that? 20. THE WITNESS: The literature that just points to, more 21. generally, perpetrators putting themselves in environments 22. where they have a wider array of access or the grooming of 23. institutions and other individuals for the purpose of getting 24. greater access to the child. 25. THE COURT: So, well, let me ask it this way. In your **Footer** * SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS, P.C. * (212) 805-0300 * DOJ-OGR-00007253