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page 12k UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO.: 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO. 2, Plaintiff, -vs- VOLUME II OF II JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092 VIDEOTAPED COMPULSORY MEDICAL EVALUATION OF • Wednesday, November 11, 2009 250 Australian Avenue Suite 1500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Jeana Ricciuti, RPR, FPR, CLR Notary Public, State of Florida Prose Court Reporting Services =?Eri="r":".••.... - PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciuti (801-280.428-9381) 248de044-bdbfidfa0.9143-Sna9a75ffd35 EFTA01076068 . EFTA01076069  Page 123 1 APPEARANCES: 1 doctor. Financial problems. 2 On behalf of the Plaintiff: 2 Q. Okay. 3 BRADLEY J. EDWARDS, ESQUIRE 3 A. So I haven't been diagnosed with anything yet 1109 Northeast Second Street 4 Hallendal c Florida 33009 4 I mean, my therapist has diagnosed me with post Phone: S traumatic stress disorder - 5 6 Q. Okay. What problems? 6 7 A. Anxiety problems, flashbacks, depression. 7 On behalfof the Defendant 8 ASHLIE STOICEN-BARING, PARALEGAL 8 Q. When you say flashback, what do you man by BURMAN, CRITTON, LUTT1ER & COLEMAN, LLP 9 that? 9 303 Banyan Boulevard 10 A. Just flashbacks of my past. Suite 400 11 Q. Can you describe them? 10 Wcst P Florida 33401 Phone: 12 A. When I was working at The Bagel Shop, there 11 13 was, you know, it was an older crowd from Century 12 14 Village, and I would get sane men that were, you know, 13 ALSO PRESENT: 15 early — early 50s and, you know, kind of -- it was a 14 Dr. Ryan Hall, 15 Jeffrey Abbot, Peographer 16 Jewish restaurant and it kind of brought back memory -- Visual Evidence, Incorporated 17 memories ofme and Jeffrey Epstein and things that 16 19 occurred between me and him that are very traumatic for 17 19 me to think about and accept. 18 20 Q. Okay. What what memories? 19 20 21 A. All memories. The way he used to look at me, 21 22 the way he used to talk, everything about — everything 22 23 that occurred between the two ofus. I just would get 23 24 flashbacks when I would see — I'd see a lot of people 24 25 25 that look like him. Page 124 Page 126 1 EXAMINATION 1 Q. Okay. And flashbacks is just memories? 2 2 A. Yeah, memories. 3 BY DR. HALL: 3 Q. Okay. What do you do when you get these 4 Q. We Just took a break for lunch, roughly 45 4 flashbacks? 5 minutes. Any questions, comments? 5 A. Normally, I would try to just — you know, A. No. 6 nonnally when I get the flashbacks, I'd kind of get a 1 Q. Okay. So I think when we went oft we were -- 7 little bit of anxiety with it. 8 we just did the substance history, we did the medical 8 Q. Okay. 9 history, current medications and all of that, okay. 9 A. It kind ofmakes me freaked out where I don't 10 So why don't we talk a little bit about your 10 want to be around anybody. So when I've gotten them in 11 past psychiatric history. 11 the past when I've worked at, you know, restaurants and 12 A. Okay. 12 other places, I'd just kind of try to go in die 13 Q. P11 just kind of throw out an open-ended 13 bathroom, gather mysel4 calm myselfdown. 14 question, and so where would you like to begin? 14 Q. Okay. How long do they last for? 15 A. And what do you mean? What do you mean by 15 A. It would vary. Sometimes it would last for 16 that? I'm sorry. 16 five or ten minutes with the whole anxiety and 17 Q. I'm sorry. Past history, when's the first 17 everything that came with it, sometimes it would last 18 time you ever had any psychiatric symptoms or problems 18 longer. 19 19 Q. Okay. Would you ever feel as if an event was 20 A. Psychiatric, as in? 20 happening at that moment in time? 21 Q. Emotional, mental. 21 A. Sometimes. That's happened to me. 22 A. I've never really been diagnosed for -- I 22 Q. Can you describe that to me? 23 mean, other than depression and, I mean, I have a letter 23 A. There was — there was a older gentleman, his 24 that my therapist had wrote out with all of my symptoms 24 name was Leo, and he would always come in to the bagel 25 for the doctor, but I haven't been able to get to the 25 restaurant that I worked at. And this is really before 2 (Pages 123 to 126) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Ricciutl (601-280428-93131) 218d9044-bdbf4fa0-9143-5060•76ffd35 EFTA01076070  Page 127 Page 129 1 like I got to talk, I started talking to my therapist 1 brought me back. 2 about it and everything else. And he had two tickets 2 Q. Okay. Any other symptoms? 3 that he wanted to give tome, and he asked me he VMS 3 A. As far as flashbacks, I suffer really bad from 4 going to tell me in my ear, you know, what he wanted to 4 anxiety. I have a lot of like — like I'm losing hair. 5 give to me for whatever the reason, and we — when i 5 I would say i have really bad anxiety problems. 6 bent down to talk to him, you know,icould just — like 6 Q. When did the anxiety start? 7 the sound of his voice, how he was talking, you know, it 7 A. Probably after -- when I really stopped 8 just reminded me of Jeffrey's way of talking, how he B taking, like, chugs and stufflike that. 9 talked realty fast and sometimes it would be like 9 Q. Okay. 10 inaudible or when — I really wouldn't understand what 10 A. And I had full control over all ofmy 11 he was saying because he was talking so fast, and it 11 emotions, ince I started to feel again. 12 would just instantly remind me when -- how, you know, he 12 Q. Anxiety is another one of those words that 13 would, you know, say come close — like whisper in my 13 people mean a lot of different things when they say it. 14 ear, come closer, do you like that. You know, and i 14 When you say anxiety, what are you referring to? 15 would feel — i would feel -- when I bent down and he 15 A. Almost makes me nauseous. Like, my stomach 16 talked to me, 1 felt lace l was almost reliving when I 16 gets in knots. I'll feel very hot, my face gets red, my 17 was 14, 15 again. 17 heart starts racing, my hands get sweaty. I don't know, 18 Q. Okay. What do you mean by reliving? 18 I feel like I can't talk. 19 A. I felt Ince I was — for a moment, I felt like 19 Q. How long does that last for? 20 i was back at Jeffrey's house and he was talking in my 20 A. That could vary. That could — sometimes its 21 ear, whispering in my Cr, talking to me, just how he 21 lasted for five, ten minutes; sometimes there's been 22 used to. 22 times where i would — i was supposed to go out and i 23 Q. Okay. How did you feel like you were back at 23 got fully dressed, ready, and leave my house and 24 Jeffrey's house? 24 literally make a U-turn and go back and don't go 25 A. I'm sorry? 25 anywhere. Page 128 Page 130 1 Q. You said that at that moment I felt like —1 1 Q. And why do you go back? 2 mean, how did you feel like you were back at Jeffrey's 2 A. There — I'm just for example, I don't know, 3 house? 3 I just — A. I — that's just what I -- when he started 4 Q. I mean, I don't mean to interrupt you, but you 5 talking in my ear, i got a flash — I just had a 5 gave me an example. You're dressed, you're ready and 6 flashback of being at his house, and... 6 you're going out. Why do you turn beck? 7 Q. Did you still realize you were at the 7 A. Certain — certain little things will trigger 8 restaurant, though? 8 my anxiety, and I don't want to be around anybody. I 9 A. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I had -- I knew where I feel funny, I feel jittery, I feel like I'm going to 10 was, but I mean the thought as soon as he started 10 It 11 whispering in my ear, i thought — I had thoughts of 11 Q. What kind of things trigger it? 12 being at his house and reliving that moment. 12 A. Lite, being around — being around -- not 13 Q. And what did you do? 13 elderly but around men that are around, you know, 50,1 14 A. I walked away from the table. i told the 14 • suppose you could say. 15 other waitress that she could handle my tables, and I 15 Q. Well, I'm assuming if you're in your car 16 walked into the bathroom to... 16 dressed up -- 17 Q. Did you accidentally call Leo Jeffrey Epstein, 17 A. Right. Okay. 18 or did you push him away or did you — 18 Q. — going out, i'll assuming Friday or Saturday 19 A. 'didn't — I just walked away from him. I 19 night? 20 didn't take what he was trying to give to me. [didn't 20 A. Right. 21 really — I Wasn't even taking in what he was trying to 21 Q. This one time you're talking about -- 22 even say to me. All I heard was the tone ofhis voice 22 A. lib-huh. 23 and how he kind of was talking lower and fast, and I 23 Q. — there wasn't a 50-year-old in the car with 24 just didn't — I wasn't really listening but I just 24 yom 25 beard the tone and how it was and, you know, it just 25 A. No, there's not a 50-year-old. 3 (Pages 127 to 130) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Joann RIcciuti (601.280428-9381) 248de044-bdbf4fa0.9143-50a9a76Nd36 EFTA01076071  Page 131 Page 13 2 1 Q. So what are you -- 1 Q. Okay. And when is the first time you saw 2 A. That's driving in West Palm, driving down 2 Mr. Epstein? 3 Okeechobee Boulevard towards his house, right down the 3 A. The first time I ever came in contact with 4 street, or even passing by or being in this building 4 Mr. Epstein, I was probably 14, turning 15. 5 right now, I had severe anxiety coming here today 5 Q. Okay. And do you know what the date was on 6 knowing that he's probably in this building right now 6 that? 7 from what 1understand. So there's, you know, many 7 A. No, I do not. 8 things - 8 Q. Any idea, any time frames? Any 9 Q. Why do you even think he's in the building 9 A. No, maybe — !want to say maybe later on in 10 right now? 10 the year, maybe around my birthday, October, November, 11 A. Well, I've heard throughout this whole time 11 December of later on in the year. 12 that I've been in this case that he does come to this 12 Q. Well, how do you know 14 then? 13 building and whether he has occupations or what, I don't 13 A. I— that's why I said 14 Diming 15, 14 really know or care, but I'm just saying living in West 14 approximately around there. 15 Palm Beach and going — when I do go out on Friday and 15 g Okay. But how do you know it wasn't 15 16 Saturday, Igo out to Clematis or whatever and, you 16 turning 16? 17 know, basically that's the route I would take when I 17 A. Because I know that I wasn't — Thad already 18 would go to his house. That's, you know, it just brings 18 been seeing him when I was 16. 19 back bad memories. 19 Q. Okay. But, again, IS going ono 16, I mean. 20 Q. So did you leave West Palm because of those 20 how do you know it's not that versus 14 and 15? 21 memories? 21 A. No. I'm — because when I dropped out -- when 22 A. Yeah. I have not really lived in West Palm 22 I dropped out being a freshman, you would a freshman, 23 other than come back to my mom's house for a while 23 you're 15. So I was either — I was probably 15 years 24 because I don't like being around here. 24 old, 14, 15, give or take, the first time I ever went to 25 Q. Okay. And is there any other reasons besides 25 Jeffrey's house, so... Page 132 Page 134 1 Jeffrey that you may not want to be around here? 1 Q. Okay. Well, I mean, that's what I'm asking is 2 A. No, there's not. 2 bow do you know — what external markers are you using? 3 Q. Because I think like some of the clubs you 3 Are you using school or what — 4 used to work at are also on Okeechobee and things of 4 A. I'm using school. 5 that nature, and that has nothing to do with him. 5 Q. -- do you remember a particular event or a 4th 6 A. Right, but the clubs that I worked at that are 6 of July when you were with someone? 1mean, how were 7 on Okeechobee I have worked at, I worked at when I was 7 you -- because you're kind ofjust throwing it out 8 also — after I'd seen him, l worked — I was still 8 there, and — 9 seeing him when I would work at those clubs. And ever 9 A. I don't mean to be throwing it out there. I'm 10 since then, ever since I stopped seeing him, I don't 10 just using it by my schooling, by my timeline. 11 work in a club in Palm Beach County and I haven't. 11 Q. So when did you start ninth grade? What year? 12 Q. Okay. So where is Platinum Gold at or the one 12 A. I don't know. I'm not 100 percent sure what 13 that you were in -- 13 year it was. 14 A. That's in Delray. 14 Q. Okay. But you saw him when you were in the 15 Q. Delray? 15 ninth grade? 16 And what, the Cheetah Club, I think is on 16 A. I had already stopped going, yes. 17 Okeechobee? 17 Q. Okay. Now, did you see him when you were in 18 A. Correct. 18 the eighth grade? 19 Q. Okay. And when was the times you worked 19 A. No, I did not. 20 there? 20 Q. Okay. When did you drop out of the 21 A. Well, there's a Cheetah Club here and there's 21 ninth grade? 22 a Cheetah Club in Pompano. 22 A. Probably a month into my ninth grade, two 23 Q. Right. So what were the times that you were 23 months, a month to two months. 24 working at the one here? 24 Q. Okay. And you started in August or September 25 A. I had to have been 18. 25 4 (Pages 131 to 134) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signod by Jean* Ricciuti (601.280428-9381) 248de044-bdbf4fa0-9143-50a9a75ffd35 EFTA01076072  Page 135 Page 137 1 A. Pm assuming starting in August. That's about 1 gave him a massage, and I would have to get nude during 2 the time school starts. 2 the massage, I would be paid $200. So at that time, it 3 Q. Okay. So you dropped out in September or you 3 was a risk I was willing to take, so I went there. 4 dropped out in October? 4 Q. What do you mean by that? S A. I would say around October. 5 A. What? 6 Q. Okay. So you dropped out right when, around 6 Q. It was a risk I was willing to take. 7 your birthday? 7 A. When I was told that I had to go somebody's 8 A. Yes. 8 house and I'd give him a massage and I would have to 9 Q. Okay. In trouble with truancy officers or 9 take my clothes off, and it was -- this was a perfectly 10 anything like that? 10 good stranger is always a risk, I mean... /.1 A. Uh-uh. 11 Q. Okay. How big of a risk did you think it was? 12 Q. Okay. When is the first time you met 12 A. Because of the, you know — I was told that he 13 Mr. Epstein? 13 was a brain surgeon or something and, like, he was a 14 A. The first — the first time I ever met 14 high powered man so 1— !mean, yeah, it was a 15 r.teinit was me and E. andM.'s friend, 15 perfectly good stranger but thinking he's, you know, got 16 , or and... 16 money or whatever, I didn't think that he would be a 17 Q. And do you know last name? 17 total, you know--! didn't think I was going to get 18 A. 18 raped or anything like that. 19 Q. How did you know..? 19 Q. Okay. So just like and this may be a bad 20 A. I met her through — I met her through my ex, 20 analogy, but just like going on a date on eHannony, 21 S and then we became friends at like a party and 21 there arc certain risks on meeting somebody you don't 22 we got to know each other more. 22 know - 23 Q. So you were already dating at this 23 A. Exactly. 24 time? 24 Q. -- but the fact that you met him through 25 A. I had already dated him and we had already 25 people you knew, told you that he was respectable -- Page 136 Page 138 dated and not been together. 1 A. Right. Q. Okay. So you already knew him and had broken 2 Q. -- you thought the chances of something bad 3 up? 3 happening, such as being raped, killed or — A. Right. 4 A. Right. 5 Q. So were you seeing anyone the first time you 5 Q. — disappearing were low? 6 went? 6 A. Right. 7 A. The first time I went? No,1don't believe I 7 Q. Okay. And I have done eHannony, and I do B was with anybody or seen an y. 8 remember some ofmy dates having friends call them up 9 Q. Do you know last name? 9 and so I do understand that there are strange things in 10 A. No, I don't know. 10 this world. 11 Q. And she was Ws friend, so you didn't 11 Who told you ahead of time you were giving him 12 already know her before -- 12 and things like that? 13 A. No. 13 A. and — .. went 14 Q. — and didn't hang out or anything like that? 14 before me, so . kind of told me about it before 1had 15 A. No. 15 even gone. She told me what... 16 Q. Okay. And again, roughly, what time of the 16 Q. So did you massage him the first time you 17 year do you think it was? 17 went? 18 A. For some ream', like I said,1 want to say 18 A. Yea. 19 around the end of the year but ! could be wrong. I want 19 Q. And kind if you remember, can you walk me 20 to say like around October, November, December, 20 through that time? 21 somewhere around those months, but I could be wrong. 21 A. It was late at night and he had two ofhis 22 Q. Okay. And how did you end up going? 22 people, two ofhis people come and pick me and up 23 A. Basically, I was told that, you know keep 23 out at the Shell gas station off of Okeechobee and the 24 my, you know, lifestyle, how I was living at the time in 24 Turnpike, and it was late at night. I want to say we 25 mind, but I was told if I went to Epstein's house and 25 probably got there around 9:00, 9:30. When we got 5 (Pages 135 to 138) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Moduli (601-2804284381) 248d0044-bdbMfa0-9143-60a9a768635 EFTA01076073  Page 139 Page 141 1 there, we rang the buzz there was like a little 1 Q. And you had been at a couple of parties where 2 buzzer thing. came out or walked us in. 2 that had happened? 3 Q. I apologize, was it a cab that came and got 3 A. Right. 4 you or did he actually have like — 4 Q. Okay. Had you been sexually active at this 5 A. No, he had his drivers come pick us up. 5 time? Q. Okay. 6 A. No. In the beginning ofme going there, no, I 7 A. And we walked upstairs. He has like — when 7 wasn't. 8 you first walk in his kitchen, he has a side door. It 8 Q. you were not sexually active with, I guess, looks like it would be a closet. You open it and it's a it was is his name? 10 stairwell, and you go up the stairwell and then you go 10 A. Right, no, 1was sexually active with M. 11 right to — it's like a hallway and there's a door. You 11 Q. Okay. Because I thought you said by the time 12 open the door and then there is another door. You open 12 you had gone to see Epstein the first time, you had 13 up that door and that's his bedroorsInd you walk around 13 already broken up with M. 14 his bed to the bathroom. I guess M. had been there so 14 A. Right. 15 she had already kind of knew what to do, so she got the 15 SI. Okay. So you had been sexually active with 16 massage table out and everything and, you know, set it 16 broke up with him and then went to Epstein? 17 up, put the towels on the way he liked,Ituess, and — 17 A. Right. But sexually active, I was still a 18 Q. Do you know how many times M. had been there 18 virgin. I mean, there are numerous ways — 19 before she took you? 19 Q. Okay. What had you done? 20 A. No. 20 A. I'm sorry? 21 Q. Okay. What had she told you about her 21 Q. What had you done with M? 22 experience going? 22 A. He had given me oral sex, he fingered me. 23 A. She told me that she would go — that she went 23 Q. Okay. And did you do anything toM? 24 there, she would massage him. Halfway through, she 24 A. Yeah. 25 would have to take her clothes off, that if she wanted 25 Q. What did you do with him? Page 140 Page 142 1 to keep — if you wanted to keep your underwear on, you 1 A. I gave him oral sex, or at least tried to. 2 could, but if you didn't want to, you didn't have to; 2 Q. Was there a problem with that? 3 thatLiar the massage, that he would flip over. And me 3 A. Well, I mean, l had never done it before so it ei and M. were friends so she, you know, would tell me 4 was more of a teaming experience. 5 everything that happened. And she said that he would 5 Q. Okay. 6 flip over and you — he liked his nipples to be squeezed 6 A. But even after me and broke up, I mean, 7 and be would jack off. 7 after I lost my virginity, we had then slept together Q. Okay. So you had heard all this before you 8 and had a sexual encounter, but that was way after the 9 went? 9 fact, like when I — but I wasn't — I don't think that o A. Right. 10 it was it was a sex on occasion, you could say. And 11 Q. All right. And when she told you this, did 11 before I said tha ro, meaning 1did have sex — I did 12 she seem to be bothered by it or say, ifs just his 12 have sex with =, but I didn't — I was a virgin 13 thing and it's not a big deal? 13 until I was 15 years old, so I know that when we dated, 14 A. It was more like, you know, it was just his 14 it was... 15 thing and it wasn't really a big deal. 15 Q. Okay. So you lost your virginity at age 15, 16 Q. Okay. Had you seen a grown man naked before 16 correct? 17 you did this? 17 A. Uh-huh. 18 A. No. 18 Q. Who did you first have sexual intercourse 19 Q. Had you seen an age-appropriate man naked 19 with? 20 before you did this? 20 A. (phonetic). 21 A. Yeah, I suppose so. 21 Q. Ion sorry, I had asked that earlier, I had 22 Q. Do you remember specifically? 22 forgotten that. 23 A. I bow that we were all younger so, I mean, if 23. You didn't list him as a significant. How did 24 I was ever -- like, there was parties where people would 24 that happen or — 25 start skinny dipping and stuff like that, so... 25 A. Inlet — he was older than me, andI was 6 (Pages 139 to 142) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by .leana Ric:clod (601-2804284381) 2a8de044-bdbf-4f30.9143-60a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076074  Page 143 Page 145 1 really attracted to him and he had a girlfriend at the 1 I mean, what was -- 2 time so we were just friends, and I it was just like 2 A. I mean, it's not like — it's not like I 3 a crush. And then he had broke up with his girlfriend 3 didn't know what, you know, jacking off was or anything 4 and it was around Saint Patrick's Day, I could say, and 4 like that. I mean, I just took it as him getting off. 5 we went to this party or whatever, and he said, he said 5 i mean, i didn't take it as, ew, that's nasty, I never 6. he wanted — I didn't put him down as one of the people 6 want to see that again or, you know... 7 1had been with because basically he was — he just was 7 Q. And before all this happened, has anybody had 8 like all lie. He said he had broken up with his 8 a talk with you about the birds and the bees or things 9 girlfriend and snifflike that, and he knew how much I 9 like that? 10 lilted him or whatever, so I think it was more that he 10 A. Oh, yeah. 11 knew I was a virgin and so it was like taking my 11 Q. And how old were you when you think you first 12 virginity. And i thought we were going to be together 12 learned about sex? 13 and then we weren't and he went back to the girlfriend. 13 A. Well, you know, I was a really late bloomer, 14 So that's how. 14 so I didn't develop, you know, but like a lot ofmy 15 Q. And guessing if it was Saint Patrick's 15 friends, had lost their virginities and told me about 16 Day, there was probably a little beer or something 16 this and that and how to do this and how to do that and 17 involved? 17 what was good and what wasn't, and... 18 A. Yeah. I'm sure that there probably was. 18 Q. Okay. So you had, again maybe a bad term, had 19 Q. Okay. So I apologize. So prior to going to 19 picked it up on the playground or — 20 Epstein's the first time, and you didn't have 20 A. Right, uh-huh. 21 intercourse but you had sexual play - 21 Q. Do you think you were one of your kind of last 22 A. Right. 22 fiends to lose your virginity? 23 Q. — for lack ofa better word, withM? 23 A. Yeah. 24 A. Uh-huh. 24 Q. When it happened, how did you feel about it? 25 Q. Okay. And the experience consisted ofhim 25 A. When I lost my virginity? Page 144 Page 146 I providing oral sex to you, as well as inserting a finger 1 Q. Uh-huh. into your vagina? 2 A. I felt, obviously, like I lost my virginity. 3 A. Right. 3 But besides that, I felt very betrayed because ofhow 4 Q. Okay. If I use any tenns you find offensive 4 the guy did it because I really liked him, I really 5 or uncomfortable, please let me know. I'm trying to 5 wanted to be with him and he just definitely used me to 6 stick with more of a medical terminology. 6 take my virginity. 7 A. Okay. 7 Q. As you said, it was not the best experience? Q. And you had provided fellatio or oral sex on 8 A. Right. 9 him? 9 Q. Okay. So were at Epstein's place. I 10 A. 1.th-huh. 10 think you said M. had walked you up the stairs and set 11 Q. Your first time? 11 up the table. 12 A. Ph-huh. 12 A. Uh-huh. 13 Q. Okay. How many times had you guys had play 13 Q. If you don't mind, kind of picking it up from 14 before you went to Epstein's? 14 there. 15 A. Maybe a handful of times. 15 A. She set up the table, she put the towels down. 16 Q. Had he ever ejaculated in your presence? 16 She had done went over everything, showed me where, 17 A. I mean, yeah, I suppose so. I'm trying to 17 lire, the lotions were and we picked out a lotion. She 18 remember. I think so, yeah. 18 told me to take my rings off I don't know, she just 19 Q. Okay. And what was your reaction to that? 19 kind of told me to relax and he was a good guy and don't 20 A. It was all a learning experience for me so, I 20 really worry about it. 21 mean, I didn't take it as — i mean, i knew that was his 21 Q. Okay. Had you not taken anything before you 22 nature or whatever, but Pm not — 22 went that time? 23 Q. I've heard people say, hey, that's the 23 A. As in drugs? 24 greatest compliment that a guy can pay to a woman or 24 Q. Uh-huh. 25 that was kind of disgusting and I wasn't ex tin: it. 25 A. Yes, Fm sure that I had. j 7 (Pages 143 to 1 4 6) (1IIIIIIIIIIII PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signod by ,loana Ricciuti (601-280428.9381) 248de044-bdbf.4fa0.9143.60a9a76ffd35 EFTA01076075  Page 147 Page 149 1 Q. Okay. What did you take? 1 A. I was very nervous the whole time. 2 A. Probably some sort of painkiller or narcotic. 2 Q. What about meeting him increased it? 3 Q. Okay. Now, was that the first time you had 3 A. Just that I was, you know, really -- like him 4 taken anything? 4 and a seemed very more open about the whole — it 5 A. No. I had taken them before that. 5 just seemed like they were more comfortable with it and 6 Q. Okay. 6 it was something that 'I had never done and it was 7 A. But, I mean, I wasn't big on them. 7 something new o I was just very nervous. 8 Q. Who -- who gave them to you? 8 Q. And a didn't appear to be nervous with it; 9 A. I honestly can't remember. 9 is that fair? 10 ad co oly. Was it something that eitherI. or 10 A. No. It seemed like, you know, wasn't 11 ve you, or was it something you may have 11 12 already had like earlier, like a week or two? 12 Q. And did that help reassure you or did you 13 A. Yeah, like I probably already had. 13 still feel like maybe this isn't the right thing? 14 Q. Okay. Were you nervous when you went? 14 A. It kind of reassured me, but I still thought 15 A. Yes. 15 to myself that I knew it wasn't right. 16 Q. This may be an odd question, but why do you 16 Q. Okay. So I apologize. He made the 17 think you were nervous? 17 introduction, got on the table. What happened next? 18 A. The fact that I was going to give an older man 18 A. We started massaging him. She was on the left 19 a massage and get naked for him for money. 19 side ofhim, I was on right side of him and we each 20 Q. Okay. And what happened after that? 20 massaged him, his legs, his feet, his lower back, his 21 A. We sat on this little pink couch in his 21. upper back, and he was on the phone as if he was 22 bathroom, and we waited for him to walk in. He walked 22 handling business, An not really sure who he was 23 in with a robe and took — we introduced ourselves. He 23 talking to, and we massaged him for probably 30 minutes. 24 introduced himself to me, and I introduced myself to 24 Q. At any time during this massage or after the 25 him. He laid on the -- on the massage table on his 25 introduction, did you think, you know, I don't want to Page 148 Page 150 1 stomach and -- 1 go through with this or I can leave or... 2 Q. Hold on. I'm sorry to interrupt. So he had 2 A. Yeah, I did think of that. 3 on a pink robe, came in — 3 Q. Why did you not? A. No. lie had on a white robe. We were sitting 4 A. I already figured I was halfway in it and I. 5 on his pink couch. S you know... 6 Q. Thank you. Was he wearing anything underneath 6 Q. Okay. So I've already kind of done the worst 7 his robe or 7 part - A. No. And as I said, he laid on — afterwards, 8 A. Right. 9 we talked fora second, introduced ourselves, he just -- 9 Q. — I might as well finish it up? 10 Q. When he got on the table, did you see him 10 A. Exactly. 11 Deiced or did he always have a towel or the robe on, or 11 Q. Pm sorry to interrupt. Please go on. 12 how did that work? 12 A. After we were done massaging him, we massaged 13 A. Well, when he was getting on the table, he 13 him for like 30 minutes, he -- he would talk to he 14 took his robe off and he had nothing underneath there. 14 talked to us like here and there in between his phone 15 And so he definitely exposed himself getting onto the 15 calls. After we ws. done massaging him, he asked 16 table. And then while we gave him the massage, he put a 16 — he asked a. to leave the room. She left the 17 towel, like, you know, on -- across on like his butt 17 room and waited downstairs. And after she left the 18 kind of. 18 room, he asked me to, like, stand next to him and 19 Q. Okay. AndIS was still with you at this 19 like — I can't explain it. If he was laying down, just 20 point? 20 stand next to him where his arm would be, like, right 21 A. Yes. 21 next to him, and he wanted me to rub his chest. 22 Q. Okay. And how did the introductions go? Did 22. Q. Okay. 23 that increase your anxiety, relieve it any, just... 23 A. And he wanted me to squeeze and penetrate his 24 A. 11 kind of -- it increased it. 24 nipples as he penetrated himself and — 25 Q. Okay. 25 Q. Hold on one second. Penetrate himself, you 8 (Pages 147 to 150; PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. Electronically signed by Jeana Rieeittl (601-280-428-9381) 2411de044-bdbUfa0-9143-60alkinitfcl35 EFTA01076076  Page 151 Page 153 1 have to explain that one to me. 1 this is seven years now, six years. 2 A. Oh, I mean, you know, jack off. 2 A. Exactly. So rm trying to put the pieces back 3 Q. Okay. Because when I think penetrate himself, 3 together as much as p0SSible. 4 I was wondering if - 4 Q. Okay. And, again, if there is something 5 A. Right, i said that wrong. 5 you're not sure on, feel free to say that. 6 Q. -- he's sticking something in his rectum — or 6 A. Okay. 7 sucking on — 7 Q. I don't want to put words in your mouth. 8 A. No, no. I didn't mean that, I'm sorry. 8 A. Right. 9 Q. That's why i said. I wanted to make sure. 9 Q. All right So he went until he climaxed. Did 10 It may sound silly, but do you know which hand 10 he have tissues or did he clean himself off with a 11 was he using? 11 towel, or — 12 A. i would assume it was his right because i was 12 A. Well, another thing was is before he came in 13 standing on his left side and he would 13 or when he came in — no, before he came in, there was with his other hand, with his left hand. 14 - no, when he came in, he would set his like, he had 15 Q. So while you're massaging his chest and 15 a shower and lace a spa thing and you can walk — they 16 pinching his nipples, he had a hand leached around and 16 are nip next to each other, so he had — its kind of 17 was grabbing you? 17 like timed out where, like, when he walked in, he would 18 A. He would reach around and grab me. 18 set it, and then basically when he was done climaxing or 19 Q. And with his other hand he was touching 19 whatever, i believe he came in his hand because i didn't 20 himself? 20 see him use a towel or anything like that, and... 21 A. Correct. 21 Q. Did you see the semen, or... 22 Q. Did he have a towel on at this time? 22 A. No. Me I said, i really wasn't -- 23 A. No. 23 Q. You weren't looking down there? 24 Q. So he was totally naked? 24 A. Right. 25 A. Correct. 25 Q. And this may be a silly question, and if rtn Page 152 Page 154 1 Q. All right. Was there anything shocking about 1 off base, I just apologize, just bear with me. Do you 2 his appearance? 2 know how he was holding it? I mean, was he — I'm just 3 A. I mean, I didn't pay much attention to his 3 trying to imagine somebody coming into their hand and 4 private area. I was trying not to. I mean, when I was 4 not having it visible. I mean, was he holding the 5 massaging him, he seemed like he kept up with himself, 5 shaft, or was it one hand over and doing something like 6 he didn't seemed dirty or anything like that. 6 this? Q. Was there anything abnormal about his penis or 7 A. i think he was just going l